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Self Imperius?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Vengashii, Sep 14, 2006.

  1. Vengashii

    Vengashii Banned

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    Utterly random question.

    Exactly what happens if someone places the Imperius Curse on themselves?

    I'm trying to figure out an answer and its blowing my mind harder than a Guatemalan hooker.
     
  2. Lord Ravenclaw

    Lord Ravenclaw DLP Overlord Admin DLP Supporter

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    Probably nothing...how can you crush your own will with your own will? It'd be interesting if it almost transferred absolute control of yourself to yourself without question, however in my opinion it simply wouldn't work.
     
  3. Vengashii

    Vengashii Banned

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    Exactly! You cant crush your own will by your own will, so it wouldnt crush your own will! Maybe its a really good defence against Legilimency?

    Also, would you go to Azkaban for it? :p
     
  4. Vincent V

    Vincent V Slug Club Member

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    Damn Inferius! Now I am going to be wondering about this all night. IMO it could work, but there would be absolutely no point to it. I mean...when you imperious somebody, you are commanding them to do something. So if you Imperiused yourself then you would be telling yourself what to do instead.

    If that makes no sense at all, its like a computer that has a slow reaction time. So when you click the mouse it clicks on the screen a few seconds later instead.
     
  5. moogleknight

    moogleknight Second Year

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    My idea of how that would work went like this -

    1. Cast imperious on yourself, while telling yourself a command to do.

    2. You would then automatically do what you commanded yourself to do, but you would do it detached from the event (seeing and feeling yourself do something without having any control over it).

    Would be a good way for you to force yourself to do something that you don't want to do, but you need to anyway, i.e. Run into a burning building and rescue someone.

    Mog.
     
  6. the-caitiff

    the-caitiff Death Eater

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    Oooo nice brain burner. It could free you from external influences (only one person in control at a time?), or set up a feedback loop to encourage or avoid certain behaviors.
     
  7. Dark Syaoran

    Dark Syaoran No. 4 Admin

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    Perhaps with attempting to crush your own will with your own will, your mind will snap under the stress of attempting such a thing, making you insane.

    That works.

    Or nothing happens at all.

    Thats good too.
     
  8. Niffler Lord

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    Not going to work IMO.

    1. You need to keep the curse active to order people around. Its not a one use plant-a-suggestion thing.
    2. The curse make you feel light headed and airy (like a fangirl... sorry couldn't resist) while the curser is then a background voice pushing you to do things (like a second subconscious).
    3. The act requires that the caster subjugate the will of the victim.

    Given the points above how can you keep the curse active while you are still light and airy from the curse? How can you subjugate someones will when you have none of your own because you are light and airy? Plus where is the commanding voice to give you the orders?

    This question is like asking about the sound of one hand clapping. What's the bloody point???

    Who is stupid enought to try the curse on themselves???
     
  9. Dark Syaoran

    Dark Syaoran No. 4 Admin

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    Ron Weasley? Enough said on that.

    They say it isnt possible but I can do it. As can Bart Simpson. But anyway, I guess its just something to talk about. Maybe he is going to write a story that involves heavy use of the Imperious Curse, and wants to know what everyone thinks about using it on ones self.

    Blah.
     
  10. david9

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    Agreed. Prerecord a message telling yourself to do something you don't want to do with a blank part before the message, then press play and imperius yourself before your command comes up.

    Would be a good way to force yourself to do something you need to be detached from (giving yourself medical attention, running into a dangerous situation where odds are you'll be seriously hurt, etc).
     
  11. nonjon

    nonjon Alumni Retired Staff

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    You guys are missing the easy loop. Cast Imperius on someone else. And then order them to cast Imperius on you and don't resist the spell.

    Presto, you're innocent because you were under Imperius while at the same time, only following commands you give yourself. And your victim/accomplice has the same alibi.

    Of course it could put you into an endless loop with no one in control of either you or the other person.

    Hey... maybe that's what really happened to Frank and Alice Longbottom.
     
  12. Vengashii

    Vengashii Banned

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    My brain is crying out in pain.

    I love Harry Potter paradoxes. :p
     
  13. Mr. Merriman

    Mr. Merriman Groundskeeper

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    I would like to respectfully point out that anyone who points a wand at themselves and casts an Unforgivable curse should immediately proceed with the testing of all three, in the order of his or her choice.


    Draco Malfoy sneered as he looked down at Harry Potter, after his last round of Cruciatus. "And now, I will kill you, Potter."

    Harry sneered back, eyes blazing with defiance. "You'll get Azkaban for this, ferret."

    Draco smirked. "I was under the Imperius." He promptly pointed his wand at himself and cried out, "Imperio!"

    Nothing happened.

    Draco snarled and tried again. Again, nothing happened. A look of pure confusion spread across his pasty face as he tried to understand why his curse wouldn't work.

    Harry smiled nastily, his voice filled with derision. "You don't have the stones to cast an Unforgivable, Malfoy."

    Draco growled in frustration. "Imperio! Imperio! Avada Kedavra!"

    Harry blinked as Draco Malfoy fell dead in a flash of green light. "That was disturbingly easy."
     
  14. sirius009

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    Well if you place the imperius on yourself than nothing would happen. You would technically be controlling yourself which is what you do anyways. So if you wanted to be real philosphical you could say one is always under the imperius curse because one always controls their own thoughts and actions..
     
  15. The Dark Monarch

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    You could cast the curse on yourself nut you would still be in control and you could ignore pain/sleepiness/bodily functions. The down side is that you would be really suceptible to legilimency because you are confined to one place in your mind.
     
  16. Dark Syaoran

    Dark Syaoran No. 4 Admin

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    But wouldnt it stand to reason that as soon as you are put under the curse, your own one will drop on the other person, and without them actually keeping the curse active, it'd fall on you as well? I dont know.
     
  17. Ascania

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    I guess a shizophreniac would be disturbingly adept at this particular application of the unforgivable.
     
  18. Dark Syaoran

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    I can't see a reason for a person using it on themselves anyway. Command yourself to do something? Cant you do it already? Maybe trying to trick the ministry into believing you were under Voldemort's control.
     
  19. Rain

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    Well, what about a person with a phobia? One that was hindering them from completing some needed task or another.. While, there are better/easier ways (even hypnosis in the real world has been seen to work for some people) if you could imperio yourself, it could be a "quick" way to overcome a fear that has you trapped in a dangerous postition. *shrug*

    I think the whole thing would likely end up with something or another going horribly wrong. xP
     
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  20. Kardikek

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    Canon wise I recall Barty Crouch being under it in book 4 extensively without something keeping their wand trained on him at all times (assuming). So it's a shoot and forget kind of spell unless you can dominate from a longer distance through all sorts of wards.
    Considering we really don't understand how the basic magic principles would work in situations like this I'd guess that the stupid idiot would either feel/sense nothing or get the hippie on drugs reaction. But by then he'd be too spaced out to give himself further commands.
    But if this for all intents and purposes did work I'd sure as hell command me to do something incredible. I recall tap dancing spiders and previously not so acrobatic students doing acrobatics. So apparently the magic can make you do things you aren't previously capable of or have any concept of.

    Question is, would imperio'ing someone and telling them to "Kill X because you are the best killer" would turn a little wimp into a single minded killing machine.
     
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