Formerly a Santi derailment:

Yes. You are right. But, since when did Ron start thinking with his head?????

 

Somewhere between Order of the Pheonix and Deathly Hallows. Quit with your Weasley hatred, Mohan. That's SO five years ago.

 

I would disagree with this as Ron didn't even begin to think until at least the middle of Deathly Hallows. If even than. The Ron hate will live on forever as he is a character that truly deserves contempt and loathing of the highest order.


How often does this place change the smiles as they have completely changed up the line up from a couple weeks ago?

 

Well spoken....... Ron Weasley is the character which deserves to be bashed again and again and again........Time and space will not affect the hatred I possess towards that character........ Even in the DH, Ron left Harry and Hermione in his own accord......I accept that he was under the influence of the locket. But that is no excuse for Ron putting his foot in his mouth everytime he messes up........He is nothing more than an insecure selfish prat............

Yes. Ron has his good points, But his negative traits overshadow his positives both in the canon and the fanfiction worlds...

Anyway, I think its time to steer this discussion away from Ron Weasley as soon as possible...It's getting us nowhere............

 

I have managed to make over four hundred posts without stepping foot in this thread, but this is just too fucking retarded for me to resist.

Ron Weasley is, in my opinion, the best character in the Harry Potter books. He is by far and away the most realistic character in the books. He is the "normal" teenager, or as normal as a wizard can get. He is the one who does what everyone else would do in that situation, he is the one who does stupid things around girls, who doesn't do his homework, who wants to be on the sports team.

You say he's insecure; he's a motherfucking teenager, every single one of them are. You say he's selfish; was he selfish when he sacrificed himself to let Harry and Hermione get to the Philosopher's Stone; how about when he went into the Chamber of Secrets, risking his own life in an attempt to save his sister's; how about when he stood up and said ‘If you want to kill Harry, you’ll have to kill us, too!’, again risking his won life for someone else. So please do tell me again how he is selfish.

You people need to stop reading so much shitty, Weasley bashing fanfiction, and go and re-read the books. Where you will see that Ron is a good friend, mostly, he is a good person, mostly. And yes, he is on occasion an absolute idiot, just like every other fucking teenage boy who has ever lived.

You see, I have this little pet theory that the reason so many people hate Ron is because they are so easily able to relate to them. They realise that they probably wouldn't do all that much differently in that situation, and so they resort to Weasley bashing.

And dude, for like the fifth time, learn to fucking punctuate.

 

My theory :

'Readers liked the 'trio' too much and since, Harry and Hermione were God like(in terms of character); readers expected great things from Ron too, but he behaved in a more humanly manner.'

I know the expectations were unfair, but they are reading a magical fiction book, and as such it's natural they would want the 'good' side to be infallible. They know that it's not realistic in real world, but it's human psychology to form a 'perfect world' in the imaginary world of books or movies they see. The readers are expected to relate to the scenarios in book, and they did so through the 'protagonist'(Harry). Now in this situation when Ron betrays them(Harry), people don't have character strength of Harry, thus they end up hating Ron.

My basic point is that not all readers are concerned about how characters develop, what is their beauty; instead they are more concerned about the plot(and what happens with protagonist). Hell, when I read the books, I was in early teens and I did the same thing.

But I do agree with your point that these sort of readers need to mature, and keep their bashing to themselves cause it really grates on the nerves.

 

I honestly had a very large response to this, but I think I can shorten fairly easily. Your point is that Ron is the one acting like a normal teenager in all things when in fact he for the most part acts way below average. He is the guy who wants to be on a sports team, but doesn't have any real talent. Who doesn't do his homework, but expects others to do it for him and resents those that do better. Who expects to have the prettiest girl in the room even though he doesn't do anything to improve himself so that she may look his way. In fact he knows he's bad at talking to girls yet expects Fluer to give him the time of day when he stumbling all over himself. I don't really consider any of the above traits normal nor average and I really wouldn't want to be friends with some one like that.

The few good moments were he does shine, are the few moments that as you said, "He is the one who does what everyone else would do in that situation". Taking a blow to prevent the evilest dark lord from rising again and becoming immortal, trying to save your sister, yelling in the moment brave things. These are cool moments, but they are moments that aren't all that special. Beyond that they are way overshadowed by all time he let you(Harry) down. A friend who is mostly there and mostly anything in comparison to a real friend who is always there doesn't cut it for me. Ronald Weasley would never have been one of my friends and even by some trick of fate he became one of my friends our friendship wouldn't last long. I guess I could just have I standards for my friends, but I doubt it. I should also mention that the only relatable thing about Ron was that he could play chess. I play chess and I can relate in a way, but given that he never thinks ahead and for the most part acts like a retard, him being said to be good at chess is somewhat insulting.

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I actually agree with your theory for the most part, but I wouldn't say that Harry forgiving Ron shows character strength or any other type of strength. I would say that it shows character weakness more than anything. Harry has been very isolated in terms of friends and is from a rather bad home environment. Him latching onto his first so called friend and forgiving him no matter what is just a response to that kind of environment. Kind of like a puppy that has been abused and kicked around and finally meets someone who doesn't do that and shows a little kindness. It doesn't matter if that someone later treats the puppy badly because it used to worse and will always forgive that person.

 

You pretty much defined a normal teenager. While I don't like the above traits, that's what the normal teenagers are like.

 

My honest reaction if this were true is:


I would agree some of the traits overlap, but Ron really is a below average teenager who represents in a lot of ways the worsts of teenagers. With him you get all of the negatives and every once in a while you get a positive. I understand the need for Ron as a plot device, but I refuse to like that self-righteous prick or agree that in anyway that he was a good friend to Harry.

 

Poor Bill Door lost his first post on BWL thread and Cenares lost his record of posting only in BWL thread. :awesome

I don't know from where you are but any normal teenager behaves the same way as Ron did. No teenager has the pressure of rescuing world, and thus they act the way they like. I didn't went to this level but I always wanted to be in school football team without having any real talent. Sure I didn't act as a douche, and neither did Ron in that respect.

P.S ~ I liked the previous thread name.

 

This pulled off of the Harry Potter wiki. I know, not that reliable, but I don't feel like slogging through the books to find the quotes.
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Ron is also a person who likes to do things the easy way. He does not like to work hard.This quality is reflected in his first year when he just picks up books from the Hogwarts Library shelves randomly when finding out about Nicolas Flamel. He also has a tendency to make up predictions for his Divination homework and also copies most of his homework from Hermione Granger. However he can afford to let go of this tendency of his during tougher times like when he researches information to help Hagrid in letting off Buckbeak in his third year. His peculiar trait does not seem to vanish even after he grows up as he,(in the seventh book) confunds his {C}{C
driving examinner and shrugs off his guilt by saying, "Oh,well I could always use a Supersensory Charm for that" —{{{2}}} ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::.
Here is a good quite that sums up my feeling of Ron:
"My brother is worth a hundred of Ron,” Harry said strongly. Of that I have no doubt. However, that is simply due to the fact that Weasley is that bad, not that your brother is in any way decent,” Snape answered without missing hesitation."

True it's fanon, but it is a good measure of how I feel about him. Also does thinking of the house elves really show that he's improved that much. I mean +1 from the bottom is still only one.

 

I don't think Ron really expected to 'have' Fleur, he just decided to ask her and understandably let his nerves get the better of him. Hardly any worse than Harry waiting too late to ask Cho.

 

Ron was a douche in general. In anyway do you think you would have acted like Ron the majority of the time. The mention of the sport was to show that Ron was worthless in general even in things he's interested in not that wanting to be sport player and having no talent is bad per say but when you add up the rest it shows a rather worthless person in general.

 

cenares - don't want to live here anymore? Remember it's down the road, not across the tracks, and good riddance. Or should I not advocate you killing yourself in this age of "online bullying"? In any case, you are more than welcome to GTFO but in the meantime, you and mohair can take a seat on the Ignore List.

 

Emm... exactly how was Ron bad at his chosen sport? Was it when he almost single-handedly won the last match in fifth year, to win the quidditch cup? I am going to assume, but please do correct me if I'm wrong, that you are referring to the times when he let his nerves get the better of him, causing him to play below his best. And if that is what you are referring to, then please explain to me how being nervous makes him a bad person.

 

That fits much better.

Seriously, you are like a parasite. First you were in BWL thread, got yourself banned there; now you are trying to make home in this thread.

 

So he went up to Fleur thinking he was going to fail and only did it on the off chance she said yes? I think he thought he had a real chance, I also think he is delusional and conceited. Harry is the fucking boy who lived so it's not that strange to expect Cho to go to the dance with him even though they have never really had any real conversations. Ron is a nobody pretty much. His only claim to fame is his best friend is Harry.

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Such anger. While I honestly don't even feel all that upset at being banned, you seem to be quite butt hurt about me. You really should grow up.

I was actually finishing the argument not trying to make a home as you said. All that calling me a douche really does is show that you can't hold a friendly conversation and debate without resorting to childish insults.

 

Most of the information on that site is either completely fanon or ridiculous conjecture very tenuously linked to canon events. So no, its not reliable.