Oh, right. Replacements. Uh.

Nae'blis = Kalas
Taure = Sesc
Stojil = Krogan
Hgf = Cheddar

So updating my pretty colors for the whole game, I suppose...

Dead:
Ollie
Riley
Aekiel

Live:
Eidolonic
LochNess
Ash
Sesc
Schrodinger
Krogan
Custer - forgot about him... participate, dammit. Null Read.
Cheddar
Vira
Jeram
Republic
BillDoor
Kalas

And, yeah.

Vote Player: Kalas

Not your fault you replaced into such a horrible slot, but such is life.

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Oh, hey, a Sesc post. Nice to see you're continuing my town read of Taure.

Yeah, that Bill post was hilariously awful.

 

Well. I don't like Vira this game, but... there are other people that I want dead, dead, dead first? Like... Kalas. And probably Bill, after that funtimes post. Part of me thinks that Vira pushing the Ollie thing was her just trying to do something, and appearing scummy because of it, more than... actually being scum.

But if that's the way people want to go, I don't mind too much, I guess. But nothing will stop me from ramming lynches down the throats of the bottom of that list tomorrow. Unless I get night killed. There's that.

Going to leave it at two options for right now, though. It's still extremely early (Even if 24 hour days are horrible, and bad).

 

Do you mind telling me what was wrong with my post?

 

The fact that you are scum trying to say the Nae'blis bandwagon was bad, pretty much. When it was the opposite of bad. In fact, that bandwagon was good. Like, really good.

On one hand, we had a target that was pretty much universally considered town (Ollie). Even by me, who wanted him dead day one. On the other hand, we had a scummy poster with middling content. So, when several strong town reads switch over to the scummy poster, and you, and several other scum make sure that wagon doesn't happen, when it could have - it looks really, really bad.

Like... in the future, that's when you just go WELP, and hop on the bandwagon to bus your teammate. Not look even worse by making sure the lynch on someone that you know is town, and everyone else thinks is town, goes through.

Or, to quote Prime:

You.

 

But that's not what it was. What we had was three people jumping on someone, seemingly out of the blue. Proceeding to never actually give any reasons for lynching the person in question, despite being asked several times. And just expecting people to follow along with them because they are, as you say, "strong town reads". Hell, I wouldn't even call you a strong town read, considering you had two votes on you at the time.

Maybe it's just that I don't like when one or two people try to lead the town like this, but can you really not see where I'm coming from?

 

Let me put it this way. We had three people jumping on someone, who at least two of them had consistently said was their strongest scum read (Ashaya and myself), because we did not like the Ollie lynch, at that point. There was plenty of time left to make the lynch on Nae'blis happen.

In a hypothetical situation, let's assume you're town. I mean, it's not the case, but let's assume it for a moment!

There is a lynch train forming on someone you think is town. There's someone else that you, and several other people mention as a strong scum read, but most of the people are still voting for someone they think is town. In what world does it not make sense to switch over to that strong scum read, instead of the person you think is town?

And also, in what world does it make sense for other people to panic, flail about, and make sure the lynch on the town player happens in that scenario, unless they are also scum?

Basically, assumptions and hypotheticals are over, and you are scum. As is Kalas. And probably Republic.

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@Sesc

I'm okay with lynching Vira after Kalas and Bill? Unless her reactions in those days make her seem more town. Or she does something crazy and defends the hell out of both of them or something. In which case I think you'll not have any objections to just killing them all, heh.

 

I don't have much of an opinion right now, tbh. Though, Sesc, while I did push for an Ollie bandwagon, he was being scummy as fuck. Besides, what were we supposed to do? Keep letting him split the votes? That never turns out well.

Just to let you guys know, I'm going to be really busy for the next couple of days with little access to the internet, so I won't be posting much. I'll try to check in on the thread when I can though.

 

Eidolonic drops his face to his desk.

Pretty sure Vira is just... derping like crazy town, now. But this statement makes me so, so sad.

 

The world where it has been mentioned several times that splitting the vote was one of the worst things that we could do. This world in fact. But I am not going to vote for someone just because several other people think that the person is scummy. Not unless I have a chance to look at the person's posts myself, which I didn't.

The arguments for lynching Gambit had been made several times over two days, no one, literally no one made any argument for lynching Nae'blis. Eido, you yourself was the one proclaiming that if you want to change the vote from Gambit someone needs to make a convincing argument. And yet no one ever did. So you can call me scum all you like, it doesn't change the fact that it was a bad bandwagon.

 

You.

(filler)

 

The reason the Nae'blis slot is so horrible (Kalas now), is less what he's done (although he was my strongest scum read even before the wagon shenanigans), and more how everyone else reacted to him.

The whole 'Oh, Ollie is town, but yeah, I'm going to vote for him, not this scummy guy' thing. I mean... holy shit hilariously bad play by scum if it turns out to actually be the case. The key point is that Nae'blis could have been lynched - if the middle of that Ollie wagon had voted for him instead. But they went with who they thought was town, over him? Like... it doesn't compute, makes Nae'blis obvious scum, and them obvious scum.

I look forwards to your analysis, though - maybe I'm off on a few of the players.

 

I live! My apologies for not posting more, but I just sobered up from my 21st when the thread was locked. Will post more when I have access to my PC.

 

There is one key factor that isn't figuring into your calculations Eido and that's Meta. We have good players on this board, bad players, insightful players and some players that could honestly earn a doctorate in Mafia science.

We also have some unashamedly fail players here. People that can't manage to post town if they tried. Case in point Nae'blis. He knew this and his last QT post was a little apology to me/QQing.

It could be that some people saw the meta signs, switched to Gambit and others followed the wagon. Or it could be that a majority of players really didn't find Nae'blis posts as scummy as you did. Honestly though I think you're on the right track. Before the lynch I had Gambit figured as some kind of power role. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if there was a good number of scum players in that wagon trying to shift the vote.

 

Wut? /10chars

 

Okay, I've re-read all of Nae'blis' posts, and then I re-read them again. I gotta be honest, I'm not seeing all that much. Certainly not enough for you to have been so vehement on lynching him yesterday. So just pretend that I haven't played as many mafia games as someone like you Eido, and explain to me exactly why you wanted to lynch him, instead of just saying he's obviously so scummy.

 

I'm confused as to how exactly suspicion at all ended up on me: someone clarify for me?