He had a couple of posts that make me think they're not buddies.

One of them being the "have a fuck you vote, Jan."

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Come on. mal hasn't been driving the game forward, more or less pretended to be engaged with Jan and totally dropped that facade on page one, and I don't like his read on Cobalt.

Admittedly the scumread on him isn't that strong. His vibe/style is very much town!mal, but it's more like a shadow of himself rather than the real deal. I could definitely see him being scum if like, he had font to coach him to sound more natural or something.

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What do you think of the possibility of scum having a Vig to counter the two townfirms and the info role that oh wow I totally know Typhon's role and I want postgame cred for guessing it AGES ago.

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Anyway, the info role that can create yet another townfirm.

Scum need some way to deal with that, or else they're surrounded by too many unlynchable players.

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oh god I really need to go to bed Wednesdays are absolutely brutal for me and I have so much shit to take care of this week

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Vaimes
Typhon
Cobalt
Quiddity
his fluffiness
dLGN
tom
Miner
Ecophagy
fontisian
mallorean_thug
MathBlade
Jan

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Who was the first person to say that a scum!Vig felt like a very Eido thing to do? Was it mal?

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Found it!

He kind of waffles on font throughout this whole post, if you wanna click for context.

"font's shot was suspicious, but I can see her doing it as town. It reminds me of what she did as scum, but it's still not out of her town range. She might not be town, but it feels like scum want her dead. Also a one-shot scum!Vig seems like a very Eido thing to do. Let's judge her based on her gamesolving and focus on other people."

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I always get into hyperactive gamesolving mode when no one's around.

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Okay going to bed for real.

Sorry for the post vomit, I probably look like a madman right now.

Spoiler

 

Halfhearted mention of jan regarding lynching vaimes.

Softball.

Interacting about not interacting.

Continued main interaction with jan being only about lynching other people.

First strong statement to jan. Let's see if he pushes it (I'm doing this in order but I'd bet the answer is no)

Well now they're just distancing.
Jan was basically attacking his playstyle rather than his alignment.

And with that, back to talking to jan about lynching people

Weak.

Such strong push.
WOW
This is the one you just pointed out as making them not scum together, but it's just another bit of pushing in words only.
He is not in any way trying to lynch jan here. He doesn't even let anyone else post before moving his vote back to me.

Cool.

Still just talking to jan about who to lynch.
It seems all those little microaggressions didn't lead to any kind of scumread.

This isn't bad.

There it is.
Oh god is this gonna end with miner having actual progression?

And this is the only mention of jan towards eod, telling him to vote me over jari apparently.

So miner had some things to say about jan, but it's more distancing language than any actual unalignment.
And miner just conveniently forgets about jan today until the wagon appears when jan was supposedly his top scumread other than me and mason-claimed vaimes.
I get moving fonti down, but no mention at all is suspect.

If jan/miner are w/w, that's definitely intentional distancing with no intent.
It's not even bussing.

 

Shrug.

I think attacking playstyles is a weird thing for scum to do to each other.

I want to resolve the orange-y names first anyways.

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fuck, I'm supposed to be asleep

Stop baiting me.

 

Is it?
It's attacking for reasons that aren't related to their alignment.
At its best it will even get some poor, unsuspecting townie to defend them when they aren't even townreading them.
At its worst it's still easily backed off of and looks good if one of you flips.

No stay up it will be fun.

 

Math, cut the fucking bullshit about how I supposedly slipped.

I explained perfectly well how my suspicion of you hinges on the Fonti claim resolution that has not happened yet.

Except now you're making yourself more suspicious by insisting on tying me to Jan even though I was leaning his way long before he was outed, and posted my read on him without even knowing of any mechanical confirmation that he was scum because I hadn't even been paying attention.

 

......Look at D1. I demonstrated my thoughts. I will never out a PR to get myself townread.

Again I did not claim acolyte.

 

...or just avoid this confrontation, because that makes you look better.

 

So you are scumreading me for you misinterpreting what I was saying to Typhon and because you can't understand what I said I am scum to you? Wow. Such brilliance. /sarcasm

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1) Not bullshitnso I won't stop.
2) And again. That is crap. You are looking to suspect me based on something else rather than my play. You are literally saying I can't be blamed yet which means you want to blame me but don't think you can get away with it.

I don't give a shit about how suspicious you think I am I won't be lynched.

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Oh yes...Because I am reading and catching up with the thread I am clearly avoiding you. (Sarcasm) My fingers just don't move as fast as my brain.

 

How on EARTH am I not thinking I can get away with it?

What I'm saying is that I need a flip or definitive resolution to work with of Fonti's alignment before I can adequately assess my suspicion of you. Meaning, I need to know if she is town or scum. If she is scum you are possibly the most clear person in the entire goddamn game but given how unlikely that is, the fact that we don't know for SURE yet whether or not she is town means I don't know exactly how to read your early Day Two push of her.

This is a logical??? Fucking??? Thing??? For me to think?????????????

I'm not trying to set up anything, I'm not saying I'm going to blame you later but I don't think I can get away with it now, and I'm not a motherfucking wolf, and I wish you would actually try and solve the game and find Jan's partners instead of insisting on trying to fucking tie me to him when I jumped on his wagon without knowing he was mechanically fucking confirmed!!!!!

Jesus H. Christ.

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It's like, I say one thing that you misconstrue and you take that shit and run three THOUSAND miles with it and now you're so deep that the bullheadedness you've displayed so far is no doubt not going to allow you to reconsider that maybe you're just fucking wrong here.

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And that's all with the actual benefit of the doubt that I'm still giving to you because I somehow still think you might be town here even though my every instinct is screaming that the way you insisted on pouncing to tie me to Jan at the earliest opportunity is the scummiest thing anyone's done this whole entire long fucking game.

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And now I'm going to bed because I have to flip phases in the game I'm modding in 5 hours and that isn't enough time to fucking sleep.

Think on that shit Math. If you're town, you're better than this.

/grump

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Hm.

Vaimes

Do you think Font's trying to skate on a normally town aligned scum PR like I did with doctor in Mini 7? (Was it Mini 7? Whichever one I made it to F3 in)

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I feel like I'm always policy lynching her if she doesn't kill Tom, just in case.

But it would be pretty funny if my inclination is right about that.

 

She already didn't kill tom.

Which is just awful from her POV (if she were town)

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Jan (9): Vaimes, DLGN, MathBlade, Cobalt, His Fluffiness, Tom, Miner, Fontisian, Ecophagy
Fontisian (1): Typhon
MathBlade (1): Quiddity
Tom (1): Mallorean Thug

Abstaining (1): Jan

With 13 alive, 7 is soft lynch, and 10 is hard lynch.

1 away from hard lynch with 16 hours left.

So...
vote miner
To wait for typh to leave a legacy.

 

Hmm, see that first sentence is where you should have alarm bells going off. "Scum but only with heavy coaching" is almost always a bad read because heavy coaching never happens.

Guilty as charged on font waffling. She deserves the waffling this game. Also, I'm still mad about CatHunt so . . .

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Ugh, this last page does make me want to flip my math and Cobalt reads though. Math is now barreling down what I said could be the case earlier "See, my Typhon spew is actually towny and a good thing".

But like, I hate Cobalt's last post. It fits exactly the tone I associate with that one game of scum!Cobalt, I don't know why town!Cobalt would be giving Math even of a sliver of the benefit of the doubt, and I kind of agree with Math that he's trying to set up a chain of if font flips neutral to lynch Math.

Game is hard.

 

Midterms in 5 mins. quick check in to answer this stuff.

I uh... got pretty angry on d1 with Jan. He attacked my play, and I got pretty angry and just backed off of that whole situation. I mean, tom can build whatever case he wants (by the way, if tom is building a case you should probably lynch him because when has tom ever built a legitimate case???), but I'm just saying that I got so annoyed I voted him in that one post despite him not eve being a scumread at the time.

Shrug.

Going on four hours of sleep, so I'm gonna try not to fail my midterm now.

 

Man, if you are town...

At what point did you go from thinking I might be scum to just... wanting to lynch me real bad?

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Hi, I have a tendency towards heavy coaching.
Just a thing to keep in mind.

 

I am town thanks.

You can answer your own question.

Five minute break over.

 

MathBlade

Just claim then, to dispel any confusion. Because you're just causing more question marks than anything else, which is not a good town quality.

0 chance you're getting shot this game, so I don't want to hear any complaining about that.

 

Y'all have limited meta of me.

Vaimes pls educate them on emotional angry townbalt.

 

I already told them that your anger towards me makes no sense coming from scum.

 

I'm referring to my Math post on this page.

 

I mean.

If you go with your earlier emotional outburst, it logically follows that the more recent one comes from town as well.

 

Alright, at this point it seems very likely that I will only have access to a phone for the rest of D2, but I've asked you guys to wait for me this long so I'm going to give the state of the game/will that I promised over the course of the remaining ~11 hours. It's just going to be #phonethoughts style, which is like shower thoughts but with 100% more autocorrect for your reading pleasure.

I'll start with mechanical things. Myself, Jarizok, Waco, Delphine, and Vaimes (if the setup is so weird as to have opposite masons I think we're already fucked) are confirmed town. Jan is confirmed scum. So, we can reread the (lol, taking notes on 26 pages on my phone will be a blast) for people who appeared to be pocketing or clearing that town group over insubstantial things, and equally read Jan for spew. So I'm going to go do that now, see you guys in a bit.