So was it just me or did they just sit and have a talk about the Nevernever with crazy crystal lady?

Setting that aside though Soulless Sam was fucking hilarious this episode, I'm sorry he might have been a dick in the first few episodes but he's just too damned funny now, I want him to stay for a while.

"Oh like a probing table?"
"Don't say it out loud!"

"A tiny naked woman with nipples....I'm not supposed to laugh right?"

 

Spoiler

As much as I enjoyed Soulless Sam, I'm with Banner on this one. It's one thing to not feel anything, it's another to have the attention span of five year old. Besides, if he doesn't feel anything, why does he still want to have sex?

Loved the episode though, the hitfairy was cool and the lore with another powerful entity revealed made it again interesting. So there are things with as much power, if not more, than angels and such.

Did kind of expect Castiel to be in this episode though.

 

It's sex, dude. It's biologically hardwired into us and rarely has anything to do with emotions. Your body can have the urge to get off without a soap opera to go with it.

OT: Episode was :awesome I cackled like a loon through most of it. Thanks Ms. Gamble, you've restored my faith in SPN.

Edit: After watching it again, I really, really appreciate the X-Files shout-out at the beginning of the episode. I didn't realize at first where that sense of familiarity came from.

'Tis awesomsauce.

 

I thought no feelings also meant no joy no nothing. Wouldn't it be just senseless rolling around with another body for him? I mean, if that's fun for him and he enjoys it than clearly he can feel something. Or am I misunderstanding something here?

 

Pleasure doesn't necessarily mean joy. For Sam, I imagine that things boil down to base instincts governed by pure logic. Does the urge need to be appeased? If yes, then he does something about it. If no, he ignores it.

 

There's tons of shit on Soul's, so it's no surprise we all think of them differently without Supernatural explaining the concept in full detail with their own concept. To me, a Soul is what makes a human, a human. These creatures that they kill have no soul, which is why they are more likely than not to do bad things, and animals have no souls, which is why they'll go on instinct rather than anything else(Like eating there own children when hungry)

Sam still has full brain capacity and human instincts and even emotions. He can get annoyed, angry, though maybe not sad. His emotions just don't give a rats ass about others. Or maybe I just think of it more like being a psychopath than normal definition of no soul.

 

Spoiler

I just assumed the guy following Dean was a 'redcap'. As a side; the episode was funny but in a more obviously silly way. The other stand-alone crazy episodes e.g. any Trickster episode, were far more entertaining and still kept with the overall tone of the show. I'm not annoyed cause I think it was a bad episode, I'm just a bit disappointed because Supernatural usually has much better spoofs.

 

Are we still posting spoilers for stuff that happened a few episodes back?
Oh, well, just in case:

Spoiler

I figure that Souless!Sam is actually a sociopath. He doesn't have any emotional investment in anyone or anything. So, do it if it seems interesting or exciting, if it feels good, if the prize is worth the risk, if it achieves my purpose. Sex is a worthy goal, and Sam is specifically picking women who won't expect any messy "morning after" stuff. The call girl got paid off, last night's easy pickup probably won't demand anything other than another leg over in the morning and possibly breakfast.

Sam has been taking the cues for his reactions from the people around him 'til now. But now that he doesn't need to hide his little condition, he's far more relaxed and more blatantly goal-oriented. No need to waste time and energy pretending to be normal.

And he's seeing all the advantages to a life guided by pure selfishness. The only limits on his freedom are those imposed by his intelligence, and he knows he's highly intelligent and well-educated.

It's the same kind of choices we all make repeatedly throughout our lives. Date seriously or play the field, so that your money and time are your own? Be a good neighbor or an indifferent one? Parents are old and infirm - bring them in to live with you, or farm them out to an agency? Have children or don't bother?

I'd be the first to say that damn near every major decision in my life has been guided by my heart. I'd be living a very different life if I'd chosen pure logic and selfishness as my standards for choice. Would I be *happier?* I doubt it.

The only way Crowley could have gotten Sam to accept any outside direction is by directly inflicting physical pain on him. Any other route is guaranteed to fail. There is nothing that Sam *wants* any more. Good hunt? Have a drink, get the girl (or not,) and get back on the road. Bad hunt? Have a drink, get a girl, get back on the road.

Dean sticks with him because 1) it looks like Sam, and it might be Sam's body - and this is only way he sees to get his brother back, and 2) he has some idea just how bad an evil!Sam could be, and 3) Dean is the only brakes that have any way of working on soulless!Sam, limiting the damage that Crowley could cause through him.

Most of all, Dean can't stand by and watch Crowley torture anyone, let alone someone who might be all of Sam he'll ever have.

Mostly, any mental condition that ends in 'path calls up images of spree killers and serial murderers. I don't believe that Sam is at risk for that sort of thing. He has no real issues to work out, so he doesn't need to have the explosive relief of walking into a diner and killing everyone in there. His job provides all the excitement and rewards that he needs, and he knows he's good at it. The biggest outward change in his personality is that he doesn't brood anymore. He's happy, in a shallow way.

Nothing really bothers him anymore except Crowley. I'm sure Sam is working on how to break *that* leash.

 

So now that I think about it did anyone else besides me kinda facepalm when Dean was trying to talk to Sam about souls in the last episode? Its like so your trying to talk Sam into wanting his soul back instead of explaining something like everything will always be hollow without it or he could only know true joy with a soul, Dean chooses to explain that having a soul means sitting in the dark alone and suffering and accomplishing nothing where as not having a soul means happily banging stupid hippy chicks before you go back out and get shit done.

And he's actually curious if Sam wants his soul back or not:facepalm.

 

Does Sam look hollow to you? Personally, I can't see how anyone without a soul would 'choose' to take it back. Dean is going to have to eventually force it on him, that's obvious.

 

I mean hollow like nothing with have real meaning for him but yeah that's where I was kind of going, he isn't going to want it back on his own.

Spoiler

Apparently come episode ten we will see the results of this confrontation as Dean will be making a deal with Death to have Sams soul returned and Sam will be cutting a deal with Balthazar to keep it out

 

Remember that Dean has also just lost the love of his life and has had his world tipped upside down, again, with Sam's soul problems. He's reliving rock bottom again and the only thing on his mind right now is a way to get Sam's soul back from the Cage, with maybe a side order of not being in Crowley's debt any more.

 

Spoiler

Crowley :'(

 

Spoiler

I'm glad it was Castiel that killed Crowley. Also Death returns!

 

Epic episode was epic.

Spoiler

Crowley is a boss now and forever. R.I.P

 

Spoiler

I really like the way Crowley "died." Simple, elegant, and no chance of him suddenly reappearing. I hate bad guys who keep returning, more powerful and evil every sequel. Besides, it highlights Castiel's essential badassness. And that he's alien. One of us would have tried to use the bones to negotiate - probably by burning just one at first. Cas doesn't think like we do <- important thing to remember at all times.

I couldn't quite tell - did they let Meg get away? I noticed that Castiel looked more ... um ... strained, I guess is the term, this episode. Not quite so healthy, maybe tired, or something.

I guess the "we saw Mary in heaven [Changing Channels, S5]" argument would have invalidated the entire arc, so that's why it didn't occur to Sam or Dean.

Girl moment - the babies that Crowley used, unsuccessfully, as leverage against the Shifter (was it the Alpha?) What happened to them?

Samuel. I impressed at his sense of timing. He really knows when not to be on-scene. I don't want to imagine exactly what sort of deal I would be willing to make, to get back my dead child.

How did Samuel know how to draw the banishment sigil? Maybe someone told Crowley? And I wonder if it's angel-specific, or if it would banish other beings. Did we ever try it on demons? If it works on any possession, then that would explain why Samuel had to be the one to trigger it.

I lost track of Ruby's knife *again.* How did Meg get it?
I presume that Sam killing the demon when he took it from Meg was just to verify that it wasn't fake.

Corin Nemic is dead!! *happy dance* I got to see him die twice - which helps make up for Jonas on SG-1.

 

I thought it would be his wife, not his daughter. Since you know, his daughter is in Heaven and all, and doing fine.

 

"Guess I kinda lost my head." :awesome

Spoiler

Epic episode was epic. Cas and Crowley were the highlights, especially Cas's porn-watching habits and the weird thing with Meg, not to mention burning that magnificent bastard's bones like a boss. I'll miss Crowley like all hell, but at least we get Death next week, so it evens out... a little.

Well now I'm not so sure what the rest of the season's arc is going to be. With Crowley out the picture and the state of Sam's soul more than a little questionable, I guess the only big plot left is the angel civil war, but I think Purgatory's still got something to it (Maybe Samuel emerging as the Big Bad, maybe an Alpha (Or their Mother) rising up).

 

Agreed, Castiel and Crowley were awesome. Learned from the Pizza-man indeed.