I thought I'd put the challenge in summary form, as I enjoy writing these things:

Well, there you have it, my challenge to you - write this fic!

 

It sounds interesting, but did Harry also make Horcruxes, like the diary? And is this still Harry centric, or is the first year the protagonist?

 

The idea is that to defeat Voldemort, as well as increasing his ordinary magical skill, Harry delved into the Dark Arts without anyone knowing when going around the world in the search for Voldemort's horcruxes. After the war agaisnt Voldemort was over, Harry took the position of DADA teacher at Hogwarts.

However, the taint of the Dark Arts that he had used to defeat Voldemort never left him and soon he began going even deeper into them with the aid of the resources of Hogwarts, culminating in him making a Horcrux at Hogwarts, a magical diary.

The creation of the Horcrux sent him deeper than ever before, so much so that it was now impossible to hide. Minerva McGonagall sacks him (not knowing the full extent of how far gone he is) and Harry kills her in anger before fleeing Hogwarts.

Angry at the world, and within the grip of the Dark Arts, Harry begins to take over the Wizarding community, his followers being various students he has taught over the years he had the DADA position (Harry is now 50ish). He might make more horcruxes.

Anyway, eventually he is stopped by a Ministry raid on his home that he was using one night. He is there alone, and despite being one of, if not the most powerful wizards around, there's still nothing he can do against 30 or so Aurors that are against him and he is hit by a killing curse. Of course, no-one knows that he made horcruxes.

100 years later you have this story. My idea was that it would be told from the point of view of the portion of Harry's soul in the diary, as it possesses the boy/girl that finds the diary (possibly the decendant of someone we know) and begins to gain power, with the eventual aim of rising again as Harry Potter.

 

Nice challenge, I want to see someone write this. It would be a really enjoyable read IMO.

 

That's an interesting idea. The only peeve is that Harry from the diary is evil and wants to raise to power again. If you wanted a story like that, you could simply write it from Riddle's diary POV and make it a 2nd year AU.

A better way to do this would be that evil Harry's spirit is still somewhere around there, seeking a way to resurect himself (and finally succeeding). And that, in this peacful, utopic society, dark but not totally corrupted Harry from the diary is the only one with power to stop his other self.

 

It would be repetitive and quite boring.

And I dont like Harry completely evil. And the idea of being tainted by dark magic, thus becoming evil is too much like Star Wars for me. Its too simple a concept for my liking, so you need a protagonist and who better to serve than Harry himself. IP82's idea is quite good. One of them would be the bad guy and the other the one who isn't that tainted anymore.

 

Maybe so, but it's also the canon way Voldemort became evil.

The idea was to mirror Voldemort and Harry.

Voldemort, through his fear of death, delved into the Dark Arts. He found out about horcruxes, and was ruthless enough to sacrifice someone elses life for his own immortality.

However, slitting his soul made him lose some of his humanity, making him more willing to kill in the future, and then he makes the next horcrux and so becomes even more evil, and then makes the next, and the next ect. So it was the Dark Magic that made Voldemort truely evil, rather than just run of the mill Death Eater evil.

In the same way Harry would be motivated by fear (of Voldemort) to delve into the Dark Arts, and the same thing happen to him, despite the fact that he became the thing he was trying to fight.

I too like ip's idea, and I meant there to still be Harry's spirit self out there. What I meant was that the Spirit has no followers to help it back to life, so the only way it was goning to happen was if the diary took a host and resurected himself. But your idea of them being agaisnt eachother is good too, though why one would be more evil than the other is up in the air.

 

You can probably make it like this: Harry has to kill Voldemort, but knows he's more powerful then he is. Thus he learns the dark arts, but didn't become evil (yet). After some training, he's maybe up to Voldemorts level, but he isn't sure he can beat him. So he makes the Horcrux in the diary in the case that he fails. So the Horcrux Harry isn't really evil. The real Harry then is becoming more and more evil, etc.

 

You could always make it so that the first year possessed by the diary is freed from it somehow but not before it can create a new body for the spirit of harry. Jump forward 5 to 7 years so would the formerly possessed student fight against harry.

I think that would be better then parts of harrys soul fighting against eachother

 

I personally would love to read a fic with that idea, If it wasn't for my poor writing abilities I'd do it myself.

 

Having a story without a protagonist wouldn't work. You could two different parts of Harry's soul battle it out maybe....

 

I believe that that idea has already been suggested by ip...look up 6 posts and you'll see it.

As for a story without a protagonist, well, if you were to actually read the thread you might see that there have been multiple suggestions as to who the protagonist could be, from Harry's spiirt, to Harry in the diary, to the boy/girl who would be possessed.

Having Harry's two bits of soul battle it out would be interesting, but there needs to be a motivation as to why they are fighting eachother, which is what the discussion has been about.

 

The reason for why the two parts of harrys soul could always be that when harry made the horcrux so did he want to rule the world, later so was he totally corrupted and mearly wished to destroy the world.

So one part of the soul would fight to rule the world and the other would fight to destroy it.

 

Apophis raises a good idea- same basic entity, except one is more Voldemort like in nature, and the other is essentialy the usual Dark Lord Potter; possibly resembling the one from the DLP chain story (what happened to it anyway? Thorne just seemed to... disappear...). Dark, but with still some attachment to morals, and a twisted honor code, rather than a nonexistant one seen in the Riddle.

A reason for Harry's non-Horcrux soul, the original, for surviving, (and resurfacing after one-hundred years) could be this- in a usual Horcrux, such as Voldemort's, if the original dies, it is held back before it can actually go to were dead souls go. Let's just say that when Harry defeated Voldemort, the only way to prevent himself from being dragged into the, for lack of a better term, netherworld, due to the scar link between him and the Dark Lord, he had to force the Dark Lord's soul into the netherworld, and then block the link off- for our purposes, the link is unbreakable- it can be blocked off, but not severed.

For a more visual representation of what I'm saying, imagine life and death as a slope- the higher you go, the more rooted to life you are. In life, your soul (a marble, in this case) is only kept from rolling down the slope (ie. dying) by a stopper. When death occurs, the stopper dissappears, and the marble rolls down the slope and off the edge- ie. wherever dead things go.

Imagine Voldemort's soul as a marble on a slope. To keep himself from dying, he makes Horcruxes to connect himself to the living world- nails driven into the slope. The marble is connected by a string to the nails, and when the stopper is pulled, the marble doesn't go off the edge, as it's connected to the nails. In time, another stopper forms underneath the marble, (the rebirth ritual in GOF) and Voldemort is safe once more.

When Harry defeats him, all of the Horcruxes are gone- which means no nails are keeping the marble from rolling off in case the stopper fails. Harry kills him, making the stopper dissappear, and so Voldemort's marble rolls down the slope, and off the edge.

But since Harry is connected to Voldemort through his scar, his marble is attached to Voldemort's by a string, much like a Horcrux would be, unless it is revealed that he is the last Horcrux, in which case the past sentence would be redundant. When Voldemort dies, Harry's marble is pulled off its stopper as well, and is dragged down along with Voldemort's marble. So he builds a magical block, or wall, so to speak, and drives it into the slope, over the string- like a sort of grate, which stops his soul from falling off the edge, but doesn't do much else to stop other things.

At the time he defeats Voldemort, he figures that he won't need to make the wall last, since he plans on dying some time. So the wall will dissolve in the event of his death- and that's unchangable. But in the course of his 'descent into darkness', he makes his Horcrux, which drives another nail into the slope, keeping him from dying.

When he is killed (if as suggested, from the Killing Curse), the wall dissolves, and his soul is dragged off the slope by the connection in the scar, and rolls off. It seems as if Voldemort is trying his damn hardest to drag Harry down, but the Horcrux prevents him from falling.

As pure soul material, it is then possible for him to manipulate the scar's connection so that it snaps-but it takes him a hundred years to do so, and that is where the story starts. His reemergence as a specter like Voldemort was after his first defeat- but this time, there's no prophecy protecting the Wizarding World from DLP's vengeance.

Then there's the Horcrux. But meh.

 

I was thinking something along the line that Lord Apophis. Where one part of Harry's soul was from the Harry when Dark magic and making too many horocruxes have destroyed his brain and his only goal is to "destroy". While the other part is of a younger Harry ,when he wanted to take over the world.

(The spell check doesn't seem to work. So if there are any mistakes .....)

 

Hmm. I really like Lutris Argutiae's idea. I think this could really work. If you want a evil!Harry story, you can make the original soul the protagonist, if you want to have a darkbutnotevil!Harry you make the other Harry the protagonist. I really like this challenge.

 

Yeah, Lutris' idea is good, we can call that an extension of the original challenge...not that anyone is gonna take it up...I don't think I've ever seen anyone take up a challenge lol...oh well, they're still fun to post.

 

Maybe we just have too many ideas and too few writers?

I think it is a good idea with the extensions.

As for the creation of the horcrux, maybe he creates it at first because he wants to leave something behind so that, after his death, his plight is remembered and no new dark lord is created (oh, the irony). At first, he simply writes things into it and, later he begins to infuse it with magic, ending with a part of his soul. The student later to be possessed is fascinated by the tale the diary tells, having heard next to nothing about such things like dark lords and Unforgivable Curses...

 

Perhaps he left a piece of his soul behind so people could ask it for knowledge and advice. Perhaps in a statue or a book. Or maybe it wasn't his decision and people wanting his power needed some leverage for him to work.

 

Rereading Lutris Argutiae's post, there's something I don't quite like:

If he can simply build a new wall (even temporary), it would be quite easy to stop death and stay alive by always building walls.

I would propose that, when Voldemort is killed, Harry's marble stays is place, but Voldemort is still on that slide by a little margin, somehow still there but not existing, only tugging at Harry, unconciously trying to take him with him into the afterlife.
This, of course, has consequences for Harry. Pains, seizures, his magic lashes out, that kind of thing. Harry is tormented by such things and, at times, lashes out against those around him, sometimes painfully and finally fatally. They try to arrest him, but he resists and flees. He hides, fighting against Voldemort's influence from beyond the grave, slowly succumbing to his influence. He takes measures that become more and more drastic, resulting in the creation of the diary which, centuries later, somehow get into the hands of an unsuspecting Hogwarts student ...
Sometime after the creation, an accident freezes Harry's body and mind. But his soul is still active and fighting Voldemort's influence.

At some point in the peaceful future, a student writes in the diary, strengthening the Horcrux. Because they are still parts of the same soul, this strengthens the original soul in it's struggle against Voldemort, giving it the power to sever the bond. Due to the long struggle and influence the edge and Voldemort had on him, the older Harry now has different aims than his younger Horcrux part...