damnit, got it spoiled for me looking in here =/

 

Wow. Great episode. John really showed some balls in this episode, and the break down was handled well. I think we can expect to see a more badass John from now on.

 

Best episode of the season. Even better than the Mexico episode. The only thing that pissed me off is that the Jesse/John scene was almost exactly what I was planning to do in Nintendo, right down to the "we both know you won't shoot me" line, and the point that John made about using machines to fight because they're more expendable than humans. It's my own damn fault for dicking around so long.

Derek has so much depth to his character it's crazy. I hate trying to write him because everything I do feels like a caricature.

 

I finally saw it. Holy shit it was awesome. Now only if John always acted like that. They suddenly had him find Jesse though, and he says he's been following her for awhile now, that pops out of nowhere and would of killed the show for me, if not for how well acted it was.

John was better then anything before, probably the best episode of the series so far, with Mexico right there behind it. Glad to see John mention how careless Riley was about hiding she was from the future. Happier to see the writers make John a badass... oh... and then they have him breaking down crying to him mom at the end. Damnit. Him silent crying over a picture of Riley or just silent in general would of been better.

I marked out big time for John Henry painting the fucking figures, especially since I'm on like hour 4 of trying to learn how to pain those fucking Necrons. Develops motor skills my ass you almost HAVE to be a robot to do it.

The t-1000 in the box opens up all sorts of questions, like, why was it in the box in the first place? Why did it have to go to John to deliver the message? Why didn't it just go there on it's own since it can swim in the water.

Derek was epic. They really need to do more with him. I hope he did wipe Jesse out, they were leaving that on a hanger. I heard the gun click, but not the bullet shot.

 

Yeah, that was a wtf moment for me as well. I was going to have him suspect Riley, then hack the GPS in her phone so he could know where she went, then talk to Jesse without anyone else knowing. (Still might do that, but I hate being second to the table.) The way they played it here, I just don't see John sitting around doing nothing once the shit started hitting the fan last episode. It's possible they just wanted the character dead and said "fuck it".

It's kinda like what happened when they originally revealed Riley was from the future. They had the characters doing a lot of things that they shouldn't have done just to preserve the plot twist.

 

I think the machines in the future have split into at least two factions—with one of them wanting to make peace with the humans. I'm kind of getting the feeling that some of the machines on Connor's side have chosen to help him, instead of being programmed to.

 

Might explain that deal, but I hope not. That'd just be stupid. Machines don't split off and want "to make peace".

 

Half the Cylons did.

 

Except that it may explain why Weaver doesn't seem to be after the Connors.

I do think that Cameron in the Allison from Palmdale episode was lying, but that it may have foreshadowed the possible plot, to get people to think about it.

Don't forget that there is every impression, at least from the first two movies, that humans win in the end. If some of the machines have autonomy from Skynet, they may not want to go down with it.

 

Syao is right. Cromartie is dead and John Henry is simply using his former body. The things that he revealed to Ellison about Cromartie were simply deductive reasoning buttressed by having massive amounts of information at his fingertips through the internet.

There's no reason for Weaver to suspect anything untoward about Ellison bringing her a semi-intact endo. When she hired him, one of the reasons she gave was for him to use his skills as an investigator to learn about other machines.

Mild spoiler for Nintendo below that relates to this.

Spoiler

Chapter four opens in Ellison's POV, with him searching for Cromartie, not knowing that he's already dead, and finding his own doppelganger, which later becomes John Henry's body.

EDIT: New Messiah by Dead Heart Bloom was the song that was playing when Derek shot(?) Jesse. Just in case anyone else was interested and didn't feel like hunting it down the way I did. Awesome track.

 

Yeah, but those were actually the more human-like ones. If you want to compare this to the BSG versions of artificial beings/ machines - I'd say the 'average' models (e.g. Cameron and the one Schwarzenegger played) are comparable to the metal Cylons. They may look human on the first glance, but inside it's all metal and wires. That's why I don't think these models are able to stray from their programming.

The liquid models on the other hand have always been a mystery to me as to how they work. I haven't seen T3 so I don't know whether it's explained there, but how exactly do you program a bucket of liquid metal?

The terminator on the submarine was one of these models - maybe it's only possible for those types to think on their own? I don't know, but I'll surely keep watching.

Four days left till the next episode

 

That's something I've been thinking about as well. Suppose the "you" in the question "Will you join us?" was singular, not plural?

Best guess is that the polymemetic terminators have some kind of hive consciousness, where the entire body is the "brain". A nearly-as-interesting question is how does it store its power supply? Obviously it doesn't have a battery. Nano-antennae solar panels on the skin maybe?

The T3 terminator had a metal endoskeleton covered by liquid metal, supposedly the best of both worlds since that allowed it to change forms and carry its own on-board weapons, but they never really went into detail about how it worked.

EDIT: Uploaded a copy of the song I mentioned earlier since I couldn't find a link to post.

 

The thing is, I'm quite sure Weaver knows Ellison's background in chasing after Sarah. Why else would he have been chosen to head the development of John Henry's AI? He knows what it might turn into and he knows how to teach it be take on human morals to make it think like a human, something we are seeing more terminators doing more often. Cameron is obviously undergoing changes to her programming and it is becoming more obvious there's something different about her compared to he T888's being sent back. There's also something different about the T-1000 on the sub compared to the one from T2. Maybe it has reached development, not jsut a prototype and has reset it's switch to be self reliant, aka like Arnie was in T2, once he reset his switch, he came a lot more human. I'm quite sure Cameron is the resul tof being a terminator with the switch reset and let to learn for a long period of time, enabling her to write her own base code and advance her AI far beyond what was originally set out, why else do you think Skynet would set the switch to read only? A read only terminator would only follow orders, a write terminator would be as equally as intelligant and free to think just like SkyNet.

I believe Weaver might know of the Conners, she'd have to be dumb not to know of them, why wouldn't SkyNet send back it's best invention to kill the Conner's, not just ensure its survival in creation. I think she has a secondary objective to kill John on sight but not to search for him. Her primary mission is to set in stone SkyNet's development and creation. Also, possible plot twist, she could be the T-1000 from the box, wanting to create a more human skynet inline with the bunch of terminators who have reset their switch.

 

I seem to remember back in season one Cameron mentioning that any terminator who recognized John would have orders to kill him, regardless of their mission priorities. I don't doubt that Weaver knows that Ellison was working the Sarah Connor case back in the nineties, but it seems pretty far-fetched that she would know about their existence now and do nothing about it, particularity after Sarah broke up the desert factory operation.

 

Weaver does know about them and about Sarah I think. The HK saw them when it came out of the pool and went to the truck. Explain that.

 

Fair enough, although there's evidence that Weaver wasn't in direct control of the desert operation (remember she asking directions to the secure rooms once she went there), and she still wouldn't know that Ellison has been in contact with them.

 

The plot of "In the Hands of an Angry Terminator" is fairly interesting and could offer an insight to the real plot:

Weaver finds that there are other Terminators and/or humans at work trying to advance Skynet's creation. She strives to find these individuals, but cannot find the information.