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The Anti-Cliche thread v2.0

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Seratin, Apr 7, 2008.

  1. JoJo23

    JoJo23 Unspeakable

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    I saw a fic like that, he was raised by house elfs and it was really gay.
     
  2. Grubdubdub

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    Ah, shit. Those fangirls can make anything gay these days.
     
  3. Blaise

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    There were two other fics close to that premise. One was 'Prodigy' by jmcqk6. He abandoned it, though someone else took it up. The other was by Ishtar, called 'Fidelius'. It was a decent story, but also abandoned.
     
  4. Grubdubdub

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    okay, another one: Dobby went against Voldemort 3 times by helping Harry. He had a child, born at the end of July. He was marked. He had elven powers Voldemort know not of. Do you catch my drift? LOL that will be the dumbest fic ever.
     
  5. Solomon

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    Uh...food is a bit of a problem there. People need to eat, and as far as I know, Harry wouldn't exactly have a food source after his parents are gone.
     
  6. Jenkins

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  7. Blaise

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  8. Janus

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    If I'm thinking about the right fic, there was also something about house elves technically being property and thus falling under the aegis of the Fidellius. (Which was an interesting idea really) So they just wandered out into town, jacked some food, left some money, and went back.

    Had to stop reading this one when Elf!Harry was sorted into Hufflepuff. -,- No good could come from the plot after that.

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    I just realized this thread is about six months old, GOOD FUCKING JOB JANUS! (Looks for the delete button)
     
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  9. Grubdubdub

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    I want to see an early to grow up Harry. No, I don't want him to be mature like other (bad) fics, I want him to be the classical, modern teenager who just doesn't care. About anything. Could be funny to see the frustration of his so called enemies.
     
  10. Kerrus

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    I'd like to see a good MTG/HP crossover.

    Thusfar I've only ever run into one, and it turned Harry into a horrible child of Merlin/founders/Garty Stu.

    Even something that just uses the principles of MTG magic- Harry learning some basic mana based spells has the potential for much awesome. And counterspells.

    "Avada Kadavera!"

    "I don't think so" *Discombobulates the spell*
     
  11. Janus

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    Well, I know one author who already beat you to that particular idea.

    [​IMG]

    Because Deathly Hallows was just so very original.
     
  12. Bukay

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    An MTG/HP xover would be interesting...

    The best timeline would be either Phyrexian Invasion on earth (a bit too epic I guess) or have Harry join the Weatherlight crew.... nah, that's just lame.

    If we were to make the magic in Potterverse internal (meaning that spells are powered by wizard's own life force that replenishes itself) than the power he knows not could be external powered magic. Here comes MtG system.

    Now Harry would need a mentor to teach him how to gather mana etc... He'd need a planeswalker. I can't imagine it being Urza, more like Teferi, Karn after the defeat of Phyrexians or even Serra (I don't remember whether it was mentioned what happened to her after she had left her realm).

    Or we might have Harry stumble upon some artifacts left behind by Urza (he did travel most of the multiuniverse). Add some power stones, perhaps some scroll or two with spells or the notes on mana, a lot of time during horcruxes hunting and... it just might turn out well.
     
  13. Memory King

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    It would be fun to see an Indy!Harry fic where Dumbledore's manipulations are just smoke and mirrors.

    Example: Someone blocks Harry's mail, doesn't matter if it's Dobby during CoS or not. The kid believes the worst of all his friends, and goes to Gringots to retrieve some money. Death Eaters have bribed the Goblins into giving Harry mis-information about traitorous associates stealing money from him, in order to blacken Dumbledore's reputation or whatever.

    The expression on Harry's face would be priceless, if he ever found out.
     
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  14. Tehan

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    An actual game of MTG - as in, two people with decks sitting down and playing it - is supposed to represent a god-tier duel between two uberpowerful Planeswalkers taking place in raw nothing. When you play a land, you are dredging up that land from another time and place and recreating it on the spot to draw power from. You cast a Creature spell, you're cloning that creature from nothing and forcing them into utter servitude. You play a Legend, you're ripping them from wherever and whenever they are and bending them to your will.

    Voldemort would be, off the top of my head, a Legendary Human Wizard, 3BB, T: destroy target creature; if Voldemort is destroyed, regenerate it. 4/2. There would be any number of ways for a knowledgeable Planeswalker to neutralise Voldemort, horcruxes or no.

    In short, Planeswalker!Harry would be ridiculously overpowered.
     
  15. Mindless

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    Voldemort would be a carbon copy of Phage, combined with Indestructible. Only way to take him out would be remove him from the game.
     
  16. MofoNofo

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    >_> Harry Potter Trading Card Game.
     
  17. Kerrus

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    Well Harry as a planeswalker wouldn't work for a story part.

    At least not the traditional planeswalkers of old- the newer planeswalkers are considerably depowered. Harry as one of them could work rather well, actually.

    Anyways, I could see Harry as being someone with a planeswalker spark. That innate potential to breach the walls between realities and traverse the blind infinities. However, the fic would focus more on his learning of MTG style magic, and only towards the end might he figure out how to 'walk.

    And even then, as a newstyle planeswalker, he wouldn't have the massive, super ultrapower that Urza, Teferi, and Leshrac had, for instance. He'd be comparable to a legendary human wizard- except he'd have a bunch of added oomph- and be able to do some extra stuff.

    He'd still be, well, mortal. Though naturally with access to some potent white healing magic... that might not be so much a problem for him.


    Anyways, for such a fic, I think the Power the Dark Lord Knows Not would be the MTG style of magic- HP magic could be a sort of internalized version of it, one that doesn't use natural mana sources, but instead uses what those sources represent to the human psyche.

    So, black, for instance, can represent hate, and death. A black mage would draw up the renewing energy of the swamps and the wastes to power a life draining spell- whereas an HP wizard would draw up the connected emotions from inside and use that to power the spell.

    Given the descriptions of, say, the Patronus Charm and the Cruciatus Curse, I think that such a system could work rather well. Interalized magic has some significant advantages over MTG style- casting time is basically instant, and you wouldn't run out of energy the same way MTG mages do.

    Conversely, MTG is capable of massively more powerful spells, greater effects, and crazy stuff that HP could never pull off.

    Seeing Harry fighting Voldemort and summoning the Adakar Valkyrie, for instance, would be particularly awesome. Nothing like some icy angel beatdown to make your day.

    Anyways, I could see Voldemort learning a little bit of MTG style magic- he's be a monoblack user, but he wouldn't be able to trust the magic or give enough of himself to it to pull off anything really grand- black magic is rather sacrifice heavy- particularly life total costs. I couldn't see Voldemort ever doing that, so he'd be more focused on sacrficing his followers.

    Except he, for story purposes, wouldn't have the spark (Harry's, say, was originally his, but it was 'transferred' when Harry was turned into the last Horcrux) and would be rather lacking on the summoning part.

    The end of the fic would probably involve some titanic duel against Voldemort, with Harry winning, and maybe the Voldemort dying and turning out to have, some time before this, made a contract with a certain demon for extra powers- and part of this contract was that when he dies, the demon gets a foothold of some sort on earth.=

    Which demon?

    Yawgmoth, of course.
     
  18. Janus

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    Hey, why make it complicated? All you need is a planeswalker of sufficient awesome to have survived the wars, the shards, the time rifts, the mending and still lives to kick around in a plane isolated enough from the rest of the multiverse to develop modern day technology not based on Artifice.

    What's that you say? No 'walkers left after the Mending? Funny, I was under the impression there was one who fit all those criterion to a T.

    That'd be Nicol Bolas.
     
  19. Kerrus

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    Hey, I knew Nicol Bolas survived- I did read the books.

    Teferi's still around, though he's not a planeswalker anymore- if he decided to up and 'walk somewhere, he'd have to do it the new/oldfashioned way (ie: Arena)

    Teferi showing up could be interesting- hell, maybe he built a plane from the ground up and used it to 'rescue' Shiv (which as of Timespiral is 'forever' stuck out of phase)

    Since we're talking thousands and thousands of years, the entire plane could have built up, including the little world... Earth.

    But yeah, the developing idea, with Shiv as say, a mythical continent (atlantis) as the origin of all magic. Yeah, it could work.


    Actually, the idea I've got now has the Veil being a planar portal, except it doesn't go anywhere- things that travel through it just phase out and end up in Shiv. Except Shiv is slowly, ever so slowly phasing back in- and is the 'real' reason why there's continental drift :p

    Anyways, I might try my hand at writing a fic- I'm not awesome like some people, but I like the idea enough to give it a try and work at it until it's good. Maybe not good enough to be in the library with full stars, but a fun read- I hope.


    I'm thinking it starts in book five, just after Sirius falls through the Veil- Harry runs after him, some shit goes down, and somehow Harry ends up with Teferi's journal.
     
  20. Bukay

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    I fully agree. When I was thinking about a HP/MtG xover I always thought of Harry as a powerful wizard with this spark, possibility of becoming a planeswalker. Just imagine the final battle: Harry uses the same spell as Urza and wipes out not only Voldemort and Death Eaters but a small portion of land. And when everyone celebrate his victory/mourn he shows up we have a scene with our new planeswalker overseeing his friends and leaving his world...

    Another option are the Priests of Gix... what if Voldemort met a strange cult of people hating human flesh and replacing it with biomechanical equivalents? What if he made a deal with devil to gain partial immortality?
    That would be a story of battle between Phyrexian enchanted Voldemort and Harry Potter. To balance the scales Harry should somehow learn of mana magic and perhaps utilise power stones....
     
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