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Complete The Denarian Lord by Shezza 88 - M - Dresden Files

Discussion in 'The Alternates' started by XxEnvyxX, Jun 29, 2008.

  1. KrzaQ

    KrzaQ Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    As for this fight, it was nothing special, I just hope that both Maeve and Amaris will be dead by the time Harry departs.

    As always, it's awesome to see an update. I already can't wait for next one.
     
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  2. liath

    liath Seventh Year

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    That's not to say that fights aren't fun to read. There's no need to eliminate all the battle scenes, and I definitely think we would've felt let down if there wasn't at least a glimpse of the fight between Dumbledore and Maeve.

    In any case, it has a fun update. I do want to see how everyone will get out of this mess.
     
  3. SKsniper128

    SKsniper128 Fifth Year

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    Somehow, I doubt that Harry would be able to kill his own daughter, seeing as a certain Fallen, was similarly unable to slay a child.

    Maeve on the other hand...;)

    -SK
     
  4. KrzaQ

    KrzaQ Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    Said Fallen's child didn't torture her. Someone tortures you, you don't like them. See the correlation? And if Harry turns out to be loving and forgiving father...

    @liath: It came a little different than I wanted. You are right, of course.
     
  5. Torak

    Torak Death Eater

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    Harry won't be a loving and forgiving father but He just won't kill her
     
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    This the fight was awesome and I cant wait to see what happens when Dumbledore really opens up but Amaris has lost any and all appeal as a character she had when she was in Hogwarts with Harry. I hope she dies and dies painfully, I might even been able to salvage a little bit of like for her if she hadnt shoved her nose into Dumbledores fight but now shes seems to be just another pawn of Maeves to me.
     
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    I have to say, I really loved the fight between Maeve and Dumbledore. While actions scenes with Harry in them may of gotten a bit dull, it is a whole new thing to see Dumbledore in action. Dumbledore is, as you know, one of my favorite characters, and to see him really open up... well lets just say, I can't wait to see more. I'm a fan, at least. :p

    As to Amaris? I can't really comment, because, as you all know and hate me for, I know more about her than you do. :p
     
  8. Magus

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    This. Her role in Harry's torture was just a boring imitation of Maeve. If she'd at least led Harry on a few fake escape attempts... Still I hope either Dumbledore or Harry will succeed in doing what the other can't and just kill her. Or at least seriously incapacitate her.
     
  9. Chime

    Chime Dark Lord

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    I think everything is leading up for Harry to spare his daughter. Meciel and Harry have an attachment to her. Sure, they may hate her, but it's not Amaris's fault. Harry left her to her mother for all those years, she's been brainwashed from birth. For him to kill her is pretty awful, though I suppose Harry has it in him to do it, though I think if he were to kill her, it would really upset his psyche (not to mention his relationship with Dumbledore and Amanda and maybe Meciel).

    Harry doesn't have to kill her, he can make her atone in another way. Everyone's being so vindictive... it's just a little girl j_j
     
  10. Skeletaure

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    Actually she's a teenager now <_<
     
  11. Kang

    Kang Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    I bet that Amanda kills Amaris with the Sword.

    Just one mighty WHARGARRBBL from Shezza.
     
  12. Xantam

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    I predict that Harry will hesitate in killing Amaris giving time for either Amaris or Maeve to lay a cheap shot on Harry. Dumbledore will attempt to intervene and it will result in his death. Let it be so.
     
  13. Datakim

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    It was easier to be sympatethic to Amaris when she was a little girl since children are not fully mature and cannot be expected to understand things as well as adults. However, Amaris here and now is almost Harry's age due to the time differential. You can no longer really excuse her actions by saying that she is an ignorant child who does not understand what she is doing.

    Raised by Maeve or not, she is capable of making her own choices at this point and she chose to torture and oppose Harry. Unless she "redeems" herself in some way like say choosing to defend Harry at a critical moment against Maeve or something, I don't really think Harry should be so forgiving. Blood goes only so far and Amaris might have crossed the line.
     
  14. Chime

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    Is Amaris really a teenager? I thought she was 12... that puts her barely past prepubescence.

    Even if Amaris were 15, I'd still call her a 'little girl'. She's not an adult, she doesn't know shit (unless Fae mature differently than humans ...). She's about as capable of making decisions as any other teenager.

    Of course we can argue philosophically about whether Amaris is really able to weigh judgments and decisions, but I think the fact she lets her mother have lesbian sex with her is more than enough evidence that she's simply 'corrupted'. If Harry were to kill her instead of simply knocking her out, or something, reeks of short-sightedness.

    Even if you think Amaris is an adult, Harry still can't kill her for betraying him, because she has yet to choose Fae over humanity.
     
  15. Garlak

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    Why would it matter whether Aamaris has chosen to be Fae or Human? It's still possibly and likely that a HUMAN Amaris would remain Harry's enemy. Whether human or fae makes little difference; her deeds remain done, the past the same.

    Choosing to be human doesn't mean choosing to be nice; humans can be as evil or crazy as you could imagine.

    Harry has fae enemies, he has human enemies, he has enemies and allies of all sorts. Going from changeling to fae wouldn't change that.
     
  16. CaffeineAddict

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    True, but Humans are also capable of redemption, atonement. We're funny creatures in that our behaviour is hardly absolute, especially at a young age.

    And a heavily indoctrinated teenager at that.

    There happens to be a reason that in most countries children are tried differently as compared to an adult, especially crazy children. And anyone claiming that a 15 year old isn't a child needs their head examined. Rigorously.

    The fact is she was a child just doing what she was told, and before someone brings up the fact that "only following orders" has been used as a failed justification for some very heinous acts, let's remember that this was her mother telling her what to do, someone she's been brought up to obey absolutely. She had little reason to follow Harry over Maeve anyway, Harry hasn't been in her life a whole lot (a few months out of her whole life?). Add to that the fact that she's messed up in the head beyond any recognition of sanity, and I think "not criminally responsible" works nicely here. Also, wasn't there a point where Harry remarks on how Amaris was basically just copying Maeve, and doing a far less effective job of it? That seems to indicate that there was no real malice in her actions.

    Should Harry kill her? I'm going with Chime?? on this one and saying, no, he shouldn't. On the other hand, should he immediately turn into a doting parent? Hell no. But there's always a middle ground; extensive therapy and a straight jacket come to mind.

    Philosophical differences aside, I enjoyed the update, seeing someone other than Harry lay a beating on someone for a change was nice, although me thinks the ass kickary is just getting started, should be interesting to see how this plays out in the rest of the chapter.
     
  17. Chime

    Chime Dark Lord

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    It matters because it shows truly whether Amaris is simply a drone or someone capable of using their intelligence. Secondly, it shows where her true loyalties lie. If Amaris were to choose Fae, for example, so she could use her powers to protect Harry, it would show she is capable of making a decision - she doesn't have to become human, she could even decide to fight her mother and Harry, but the choice and her reasoning reveals her mental state, at any rate. Harry can't kill her if it looks like he can 'redeem' her (I don't mean it like that, I mean... making her more amiable toward him).
     
  18. e1

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    I'm at a loss for words...

    Epic update is epic.
     
  19. Immie

    Immie First Year

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    Damn. Amaris died. No possibly of Harry/Amaris. :( Unless...Harry/Dead!Amaris. I wonder how Dumbles will react when he learned Harry killed his own daughter.
     
  20. liath

    liath Seventh Year

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    It really was an excellent update. I absolutely loved what you did with the daughter. Just brilliant. Most authors don't have the guts to kill off a character.

    Harry just spitting out Word after Word was epic, especially since you showed that there was an adverse affect, what with his dribbling blood.

    In any case, it was pretty awesome all around.
     
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