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WIP The Havoc Side of the Force by Tsu Doh Nimh - T - HP/Star Wars

Discussion in 'The Alternates' started by Hw597, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. Orm Embar

    Orm Embar Auror

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    What's the other fic?
     
  2. Heather_Sinclair

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    And it's been rewritten. The original, which I liked a little more, has been pulled.
     
  3. MonkeyEpoxy

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    Oh critically speaking, it is a fairly 'cheap' storyline. But that doesn't make it any less enjoyable if it is executed well. You don't always need a complex, thought provoking story to still be good. The other thing is that there are so many Super!Harry fics that are done well that you get bored. Crossovers do allow a hint of uniqueness to them.

    If we were gonna say this should be rated down because of that, I can think of a host of other highly rated fics that essentially follow the same format that would also need to be downrated - Wand and Shield, Demon's Feign Merlin's Pain, The Master of Death, Magician, etc.

    As I said before though, that concept can only keep it going for so long. Now you need a good plot to take over. Problem is, I really can't think of any particularly good ideas of what can happen from here. An example (that a lot of people will disagree with me on) is that Wand and Shield was a LOT better before Harry joined SHIELD and the 'real' plot started.
     
  5. Heather_Sinclair

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    I would consider these stories more along the lines of serials, wherein instead of a significant plot you have a handful of miniplots, or the day to day life of a main character that gets himself into a number of situations. That can be just as good if the author has the stamina and talent to keep it interesting and ongoing on a regular basis. Often, these just wind up petering out because of boredom, lack of ideas, RL time, etc.

    The problem I'm seeing with Havoc is that it's sitting on about 30k words and it's just now beginning the second day without any progress toward anything meaningful. That's not necessarily a bad thing if the author is planning a 300k+ story.

    I know people that bitch a lot over crossovers because most authors just throw the two universes together an assume that they'll integrate without any problems. At least this one is throwing a lot of obstacles in the way and making it a bit more realistic. That's one of the things that's keeping me reading.

    I just hope that in three more chapters, the author doesn't go, "Damn! I've written myself into a corner with all the conflict! Oh well, time to move on to something else."
     
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    Really? The one that was basically Harry falling into every vagina he meets with all the girls praising his 'lightsaber'? Porn with very little plot.

    The rewrite is soo much better it's hard to believe they were written by the same person.
     
  7. nyx

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    Two things make this better than average crossover: conflict and goals. Even though Harry falls in the good guys' lap he doesn't immediately gain their trust and agree to help with the problems of the crossover universe. Instead he's managed piss off both the good and the bad guys. Personally I like it when shit happens to the protagonist. :awesome Secondly, this far Harry has consistently had his own goals that he has pursued, separate from the crossover verses original plots. Granted they've been pretty rudimentary this far, e.g. "find out where and when I am" and "find a means to communicate with the locals". But still it makes him his own agent.

    Yes, it's not all good (for example the first chapter was just bad), but I'm enjoying it and have my hopes up that I'm going to continue to do so.
     
  8. chrnno

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    The series that suffer the most from that is probably Stargate, nearly every single crossover I read has the character being crossed randomly join SG-1 making it a 5-man team.
     
  9. ray243

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    The uniqueness of a setting is not enough to hold the story together. Providing a reason for us to care about the protagonist should take precedence in every story.

    The issue with this Harry being so powerful at the beginning of the story is making me ask question about why should I care about the well-being of him? He has yet to shown any likeable character traits that makes me want to root for him.
     
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    I could give two shits about Harry so far, I'm reading it for HK-47.
     
  11. Greener

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    This was entertaining. The side story too. 4/5
     
  12. NoxedSalvation

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    "The Unsuspecting side of the Force" was updated, giving us a view of the Wizard/Sith fight from Maul's perspective and some deductive work by Yoda, Qui- Qon and the other Jedi masters. Great stuff. :D
     
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    That was an excellent chapter. The description of the fight scene could have gone better, but the rest was great.

    The reasons the Jedi have to not actively engage Harry are pretty good. It was good to see that experienced force users are not debilitated by the torture of the force that Harry creates with his use of magic.
     
  14. Darth Disaster

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    Damaging the Force, huh? That's an interesting concept. It's obviously part of a deeper plotline.

    I wonder what will come of it. And what will happen when Harry and the Jedi eventually communicate at length.
     
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    I wonder how similar it will end up being to how the Jedi Exile wounds the Force.
     
  16. Shouldabeenadog

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    After looking through the side-stories, I kind of wish that I had not. When I was locked into Harry's POV, the pain experienced by those around him was surprising, curious, and I had no clue why. It was a great sense of mystery, one lost by just a few chapters of side-story.
     
  17. Frantically Boosted

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    Jedi Exile is a wound in the Force, because she (yes, the Exile is canonically female,) cut off her own connection to the Force in order to survive after Malachor. So is Darth Bane, for that matter.

    At least, I think. I haven't played KoTOR2 in forever.

    I would assume that Harry wounds the Force because of how magic operates; rather than freely wielding the Force through your self, he's channeling it into an item and blasting it out with a variety of words, forceably making the Force into something tangible, when it's not. Jedi don't really need words, they just sort of instinctively know how to do it, but Harry has never had to learn it.

    Or it could be that his very presence is antithetical to the Force, considering that he's like super murdery in this fic. Like both Bane and the Exile!
     
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    The whole being from another dimension thing is the most likely scenario. He is rewritting the fabric of reality and in this dimension that is the Force. Literally twisting reality to suit his needs.
     
  19. ketz3r

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    Update

    A wild Anakin appears!
     
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    Heh. The update actually made me laugh once or twice. Glad it's not dead.