I've seen MUCH cheesier crap. Stuff where you thought that you were living in Wisconsin, in the middle of a cheese factory, inside a swiss cheese hole. That's how cheesy. There's this story, Myrrdin's Torch by Mysty on Fanfic, it is one of THE worst stories in terms of character relationships being created that I've ever read.

Harry needs an army if anyone does any Harry solo stories, what I think is that he should gather an army of dementors and infieri, things that will never betray him. Fuck Fenrir Grey and that other shit. I know what I'm doing if I ever get around to writing my story. (I'm debating whether or not Harry should create a horcrux). I'm trying to map out what Harry's goal should ultimately be. Obviously total take over, the question is, will he be truly doing what he thinks is best or will he be doing it to get power like Voldemort? (i.e. just for the sake of ruling without any political ideology?)

 

Yes, well, that's one of the usual problems with rebellions, Charlie. Rebels are idiots who've never picked up a history book.

It's how nearly all rebellions happen, you know. Someone in the middle class rallies the lower class to take down the upper class -- telling the lower class population that he'll give them freedom, liberty, etc.

If the rebellion succeeds -- in which case, they probably deserve their prize anyway, either since they were so good or since the former government wasn't nearly good enough -- the leaders of the rebellion, who previously belonged in the middle class, become the upper class.

Usually, the lower class remains the lower class, and isn't treated any better by the new upper class than the old one -- except for a few rather lucky or useful lowers, who become the new middles.

If the rebellion fails, of course, the lower class who opposed the governement gets suppressed even worse.

It's the same pattern that most historical rebellions have followed. The stories Dakaath: Prince of Darkness and Of Blood and Power are both following this pattern -- although the authors probably don't realise it. Even Sir Padfoot XXIV's Lord of Azkaban is following this pattern -- since Harry obviously doesn't care about the refugees of Hogwarts, Dumbledore's lower class, nor the outer-ring Death Eaters, Voldemort's lower class.


The question that Charlie is asking himself is simply this: should Harry oppress people openly and be the Dark Lord Potter, most evil and powerful wizard since the Dark Lord Voldemort -- or do it quietly and be Minister Potter, greatest and noblest wizard since Headmaster Dumbledore?

The answer, obviously, is whichever one provides the most comic relief, since such a stale plot ought be funny.

*snigger*

 

Ok Burt I will concede that in a way you have a valid point. However not all Revolutions end with the victors completely turning into pricks. Personally I would like to see a Socialist or Communist Harry. It would be funny. I mean both systems work perfectly if you remove the more evil parts of human nature from the mix, and since most fanfic authors are usually jumping at the bit to do this for their characters I think it would make sense. After all they are both systems based on perfect equality for everyone. And of course thats what Harry wants for everyone... Well except the assholes who betray him. But they usually get killed before the story gets ready to hit the Epilogue stage.

So now I call on everyone to write Socialist or Communist Harry stories... LOL

 

Nearly all revolutions are based on two consepts: "we're better than them," or "we're just as good as them."

In the United States, it was the latter. We went with "everyone is equal."

Is everyone really equal in the States, though? I hardly think so. I have more money than some of my friends. A lot of my friends have more money than me. I have a nicer car than some -- some a nicer car than me. How is that equal?

My friend has more money, and thus can go to a better school, and thus have even more money. How, exactly, is that equal?

Voldemort's revolution, obviously, was on the former consept. "We're better than them." I don't need to discuss how that is simply stupid, I think -- unless Purebloods really are more magically powerful.

Recap: "equality" revolution of America -- failed. "superiority" revolution of Magical Britain --- probably going down the same path.

Revolutions have a bad habit of failing, it's as simple as that.



As for the socialism thing: Harry and his wives are immortal. That makes them better than everyone else -- makes them everyone else's boss, really. They own the island. Nobody disputes it. And everyone on the island serves them -- although, appearently, none of the islanders think of it like that.

When Harry was asking Severus if he wanted to live on the island, he made sure that Severus would give lessons to Harry's own kids first -- and everyone else's kids, of course.

I assumed that all of the other Azkabanians went through something simmilar -- all had to prove that they could give something to the island before the island would accept them.

It seems like socialism to me, at least.

 

Yes it is Socialistic, pure Communism is impossible to achieve. However for our purposes it would be Socialism/Communism. Both systems do allow for a government, and while Harry is most certainly more powerful then everyone in reality is still just one of the people, he is just the leader of their little Commune. Though he still makes his decisions based on what his people want, not nessacarily what he wants. He makes decisions based on the general welfare of the islanders, not just his own.

As he says at one point in the story "Death Eater, Ministry, Order, it makes no differance." Or something along those lines. Basically everyone is equally important on the island though for some form of order instead of chaos he is the unnofficial leader.

 

*crying to himself* i hated civics
*dies a little on the inside*

 

Your talking to a person who is probably going to be a Poli Sci major

 

ahh! Well good for you.

You're talking with someone is interested in entertaining the masses with cheesy special effects and worse dialogue (just kidding...I hope) :wink:

 

He just finished it.

The Epilogue sucks.

Has to much Harry/Ginny shit.

 

as much as i hate ginny i can look past it for this one....it was heart touching...i had tears...i really like rons death...

 

After Harry being such a badass through out the entire fic, it ruins the whole story at the end for him to be all scared of meeting with the Weasleys, and nervous.

Rons death, as any fic, is appreciated, but could of been done way better.

Bella's/Tonks totally left out of the end, and too much H/G mushy shit

 

Yeah I agree too much H/G in the epilogue but I did like the Dumbledore/Harry/Fawkes scene which raised, and answered, reasons for Dumbledore not attempting to stop Voldemort sooner.

 

I don't know the story was OK but I missed something. (Sorry can't put my finger on it)

 

Harry w/ the Weasley's totally sucked and was a major disappointment for me. I NEED YOUR APPROVAL!!


I like how Fawkes wasn't good or anthing and was, in fact, evil. Most people don't acknowledge Phoenix's as creatures of the light (which they are in canon) or they have Fawkes abandon DUMBledore. I like this author had the phoenix corrupted.

I DESPISED that thing with Catherine and Anna. Is there anything more cliche than having a little girl kick the "mean man" in the shin? I mean, my FUCKING DOG cajn think of something more original.

Nevertheless, I did like this (especially the scene with Dumbledick even though its not the direction I plan to go and was out of character for the rest of the story.)

 

Fawkes wasn't evil just corrupted.

 

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This story is excellent the author should be proud. It also puts the headmaster in his place.

 

Great story. I'm looking forward to more from the author.

 

Would'ave been much better if there wasn't so much H/G.

 

This is definitely one of my most favorite fics in all of fandom, never mind the H/G. Can't wait for the sequel.