Yes, Jan/Newcomb/Fonti is the Vaimes reading trinity, I think in ascending order of should-know.

 

Ok, Jan died early, possibly just because he wouldn't be able to change his opinion and state it. Newcomb is supposed to be good but so far I'm not seeing it really, also, I don't see why he's not the nk so far if that's the case. Either way, he's obviously not doing those super reads I've heard about so maybe his (wait, hers?) game is just off and then why listen to that reasoning anyways.
And fonti, while in the game, could possibly be a wolf and would totally lie about vaimes being a wolf if they wolf together.


So... Idk.. I didn't like vaimes response to you( or someone else?) having vaimes as possible scum still, and I don't like the whole "all those 3 wouldn't get me wrong" when 1 died early and the other 2 are suspicious. Also I think you said newcomb wasn't so quick to townread vaimes so...

Ah, well.. Dinner
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+ yeahvoxx quote "Wolfy post.

Mostly pointless question, weird thing to reply to given state of thread."

And I agree, it's a bad question and the question is, is it to be in the thread or cause interactions with allies. Here I just have to point out the "we should have pizza together" thing Vira did to miner, as vira seemed to have a few of those interactions with miner and I can't help but think this is the same here (especially considering their other posts together).
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this post by vira, though the quotes and replies are kinda gone, is really bad tbh. not understanding "going through someones posts" means iso them is kinda weird. How else would you do it?

Well, there's wolf chat i guess.

 

Vaimes. Is. Town.

He would never post this at eod at mafia.

Or this.

You are never going to lynch him this game, because I either will be alive to stop it or you will lynch me and find out that this read is real. Von is town.

 

This part Kinda makes me think vaimes isnt w/w with miner and since miner already flipped..

@jari thoughts?

Also the Miner part on The other hand seems like defending a Newcomb partner
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This is in regards to Zack voting Newcomb. If owner is scum Newcomb definitely looks really bad
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..

 

You're dumb.

Newcomb and I were both hinting at the read beforehand. I actually did it first.

 

Considering Vira scum this looks Kinda bad for cuth

 

So, there was a fair bit of argument about whether Fable was town for his reaction to the Vira push from Reg and his continued, but not really defense of her, but it ended up with Fable being read more town than not. If Miner's seeing his partner do this, he's going to be hella conscious of it and not want to be in the same position. But if he sees a town being townread for weirdly townreading Vira (because there's not way he was trying to save her at that point, his goal must have been distancing), then he might try to imitate.
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@Newcomb You will defend Von, now.
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Ugh.

It's not too wolfy to be a wolf. It's literally just not wolfy to be freaked out when someone shows up at the last second for why they weren't there with the lynch changing vote. The cfd being on mafia just makes it more towny.

I said the read because it's true and important.
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Also, that's not true, btw.

 

You're mean, but I don't go around bashing you over the head with it every opportunity I get.
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And yes I know you were hinting. All I'm saying is, if Jan had ended on scum!Vaimes you could have followed him there because you hadn't outright stated town on him. Hints can be waved away.
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I mean, I can go off about how you were wrong about Miner and refusing to see he's town, but no, I'm the dumb one.
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I am actually going to post a bunch of things you were wrong about btw.
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Let's look at your achievements this game Font:

Tunnel on town Zack
Defense of scum Miner
Cased town Koalas (let's be real, no one is going to blame you for this one)
Accurate townreads on a couple of dead people (Proph, Jan(except you voted Proph for shade later and commented on Yvtn's wall that Jan should be lower))

Jan: "Why did you remove Vira?"

Hard townreading Scott/Owner (currently voting Owner)

Miner defense post

Spoiler

Owner defense

Spoiler

Scumreading Yeti hard.
Townreading tsaiah again (

Spoiler

)
Scumreading Fable (this isn't wrong yet. @.113 You're not the only one scumreading Fable after all!)

 

The difference between me and you, dude, is that I'm willing to reassess as I go. When Kalas flipped, and I could stop tunneling him, I turned on Vira. When Zack seemed more salty than scummy, I let him back off and do his thing. When Miner didn't defend himself and didn't seem town, I didn't defend him and made sure we would get a clean lynch off on him. When I had Vira spew to look at, I cleared Yeti. When Newcomb posted a good wall, I backed off and defended him. And when Reg made a good case and seemed town, I townread the slot. When the scott slot read only works when Vira is not mafia and there's spew pointing to them from her and Tsaiah, I reassessed.

You lock in your reads D1, with the exception of miner, and then you tunnel. It has been what you've been doing the entire game, and every game before this. I don't deny that you have a good read on miner, you clearly do. I think you caught onto Vira for a decent thing wrt her readlist, and it was something I scumread her for the next day. But your cases are consistently crap because they're just a tunnel, and they make the person you're tunneling look better for it. You make connections based on a few for sure reads (me, vira scum for example) and then base the rest of your worlds on them. That is why no one listened to you when you called Kalas town, because it was based on a scumread on Vira that you didn't explain.

And you're a dick about it. You refuse to work with other or respond to questions when asked. I tried to get you to explain your reads, so I could work off them, for days, and I may have ended up with you on Vira and Kalas d2 is you had just bothered to try instead of pushing me away over and over again.

 

I'm not really that sure i'm scumreading fable, it's more I kinda hope he's scum as it is because otherwise i'm kinda pissed off. I mean he's not even trying to try, or pretending to. The highlight of his play is basically "i brought the wrong coat to work". If he's a wolf, then fair enough. If he's town though, why the fuck do you not sub the fuck out and stop "playing"?

It's just fucking bad manners and a big FU to everyone playing and enjoying the game.

So, yeah, at this point, fable being scum means I could still play with him again and go "ahh, you bastard, you sure fooled us with that play" instead of just "bad words".

And I prefer liking people.

PS of course there could be a reason for not having time and energy to play, but then you sub out. You don't stay in the game and do this shit.

 

I may have been more likely to work with you if you hadn't called me dumb throughout, an asshole and the reason you're quitting mafia.

 

Clicked on the reads thing, because context is important. And a point for lynching Owner before Cuth, when I was thinking of swapping to Cuth.
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You were like that long before that. We're done here. Lynch me if you like, do not lynch Von after.

 

If you flip town I'll reassess on Vaimes

 

Holding you to that.

 

*awkward silence*

 

Ge

Oh fuck off and stop acting like I never tried to do anything this game. This game has consisted of everyone blowing me off all game and treating me like shit so big fucking surprise I lose motivation. And you're not suppose to fucking tell people to sub out because you don't know what my situation is and you don't get to make that call so lolyou trying to lecture people on what BM is. I did try and it didn't matter and I didn't have the energy to fight everybody off. But don't worry I don't intend on playing with you again ever, I was ready to maybe get back into the game this phase but not if I have to deal with this shit.

 

Fable, I would appreciate your thoughts on the lynch order we should take and who you think should be cleared.

 

I keep execting Yeti to post things, but she is no more ;-;

 

You did something, but you were wrong on Vira, no one really held it against you but after you began defending her you did nothing for the rest of the week or so. So yeah, that's bad, don't come and tell me otherwise.

I really hope you change your mind and start playing but don't pretend you've done anything for over a week, also don't pretend everyone is up your ass on it, because you didn't have to deal with anything at all, everyone let you be despite all this, just waiting for your return. So dealing with all this shit is just another excuse.

Get back in the game, I'll be the first one to cheer you on. FFS it's not like it's a big deal being wrong on Vira, come on, I don't think anyone blames you for that. I mean I thought both SR and Koalas were scum too, I was wrong. Being wrong is mostly what town do. Don't just give up, keep giving reads and don't focus on just one thing.
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@Fable actually, why don't you start with this? Maybe you're wrong but if you're not you're basically saving us a mislynch because owner is high on most peoples POE.

 

Stan, remember Owner in the hydra game? This seems similar, yes?