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The Plot hole collection thread...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Randeemy, Jun 26, 2006.

  1. Athenia

    Athenia Groundskeeper

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    I was just telling you what JKR said in an interview that asked that question.

    Edit: BMM, this is a plot hole thread which, in and of itself is going to involve some author and book bashing simply by the nature of the topic.
     
  2. Hellsing Boy

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    I'm not sure this counts as a plot-hole or not, but if Sirius was an animagus, if he knew he was innocent from the start, why did he escape only when he saw Pettigrew on the paper?


    He already knew the worm was alive, so that particular reasoning was kinda lame...
     
  3. DemonDream

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    Apparently Snape is more powerful than Voldemort. How else can Harry suddenly lose to him at the end of book six when in previous years he was holding his own against various impossibilites, such as Voldemort and six of his inner circle.
     
  4. KANE

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    I think snape's power could be a type of plot hole. I find it strange that we see snape so strong and talented at the end of book 6, but in book 1 he can't get passed a simple three headed dog. If book 6 is any indication, snape should have been easily able to kill the dog or subdue it in some way, even subtly if he didn't want to be caught.

    It happened again in book 3, he got caught completely off guard by three 13 year olds and was left unconscious after 3 DISARMING spells. Someone as talented as snape seems to be someone who would be rarely caught off guard or even to let a spell hit him. It seems unlikely a group of 13 year olds could do it.
     
  5. Athenia

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    I think we are still supposed to believe he wasn't trying to get past the dog, but to stop Quirrell. If he wanted to keep the defenses intacked, he couldn't put the dog down.

    Well, yeah. His almighty mind reading skills that apparently helped him stop every curse Harry threw at him didn't develop till after book 3.

    Don't you also like how during the DA lessons none of the older students thought to point out that they should be learning nonverbal magic rather than acting as though the verbal crap Harry was teaching was more advanced?
     
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    Someone mentioned something about the Inferi jumping out of the water after Harry trys to summon the horcrux. I just assumed they detect magic that is cast near them and the horcrux had an anti-summoning ward over it.
     
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    I have a funny feeling that the Inferi were something JKR just recently thought up. We probably would have seen more of them earlier in the series if they weren't - like in the chamber of secrets.
     
  8. Mordecai

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    A plot hole I just thought of is the fact that Hagrid, who was expelled in his 3rd year I think, used silent magic. If silent magic isn't taught until 6th year, how is Hagrid, who is honestly a drunk, going to be able to manage it.
     
  9. Randeemy

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    Yeah I thought the introduction of Inferi was really random and totally out of the blue. She just wanted Zombies in her story. With strange creatures and important plot devices, something is always mentioned in the earlier books.

    Eg. Sirius was mentioned in PS
     
  10. Athenia

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    I figured her "getting darker" series idea was falling apart by that point in the book and she needed something sinister above and beyond a death so she figured she should create some creature out of the blue like the inferni to help move herself along completely ignoring she had just made the dark side that much more powerful and the light side that much more disadvantaged.
     
  11. mcatrage

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    i don't think harry was in the condition to really duel, his emotions were controlling him and i think thats why snape was able to beat him easily.

    but he didn't capture or kill him so i'm guessing in book 7 snape will reveal either that dumbledore isn't dead or that he made snape kill him for the "greater good".

    EDIT: and also i don't think we can consider harry to be powerful (well knowledgeable) really its all been luck in the books. the ending of book 7 might as well be something like voldemort trips on a rock and lands on sword and dies.
     
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  12. DemonDream

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    Please think about that a bit more, in every situation Harry has been, his emotions are controlling him, they are life threatening, only an absolute apath could not be controlled by their emotions. I would like to point out that at the end of book five, when Sirius died, Harry still managed the power to catch and subdue Bellatrix long enough to cast a cruciatus on her.
     
  13. Mordecai

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    Didn't he subdue Bellatrix by castingp/i] the cruciatus on her? Like, she was running ahead of him, she ran out into the attrium, he ran out and cast it at her whilst she was runnign away.
     
  14. The Dark Monarch

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    when harry was dueling snape he said something like "You cannot hide your mind potter I know every move before you make it" To me thats like mind reading.
     
  15. Mordecai

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    That was legillimancy (sp), damn it I always get annoyed when folk misspell that word, and now I can't remember how.

    Like after Harry cast Sectum-Sempra on Draco, Snape drew the image of the book to the front of Harry's mind.

    Before that, as far as we knew, Snape could only use the spell after casting it with a wand. We knew Voldie could do it through the scar, but that was it.

    JKR just amde up Snapes ability to do it without a wand on the spot I think.
     
  16. Athenia

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    ^Yeah, that's what I figured. Snape sounded like he was reading Harry's mind before he even cast the spells. Apparently the fact that Snape had to learn Occulmency in order to hide his mind from Voldemort didn't mean that Voldemort was a legimens and thus had the same ability and therefore could have used it during any of the other encounters with Harry. Though I suppose in the previous duels it didn't matter much. Of course, all the other times Snape blames anyone about anything discounts the fact that 11 and 12 year olds probably had even more open minds and Snape with his awesome -I can use legimanacy during a duel when I am 10 meters away- power didn't really know much of anything.
     
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