Scum would know that a doctor is in the setup or not likely before the game starts due to their role PMs. That's how Matrix setups work. They still would not know who the doctor is though and it makes it more dangerous to shoot the PRs.

 

I sent a survey to my scum-dar, and it gave me the following results:

Snowvon
TerRaine
Fontisian
Citrus
Pinky
Atum
The Waco Kid / Luckylee
Jpzh2d
Rubicon
Xanidel
Sloth
Titus / His Fluffiness

Hmm. Don't think my scum-dar needs replacing, but it probably isn't calibrated yet. We'll see.

Now gut reads, on the other hand, have a warranty for being accurate.

Town:
Luckylee
Pinky
Rubicon
Fontisian
Ter Raine?

Null:
Sloth / Jph / Xanidel / His Fluffiness / Snowvon

Scum:
Plotless? / Titus / Atum / Waco Kid

Oh hey, my vote's still on Waco Kid. That's cool with me right now. The Waco Kid - when you get a chance, I'd like to hear your entire read-wall now. Need to hear what you think of the player-base distribution right now etc.

 

What would stop scum from splitting up their claims between the two "camps"?

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Can you explain to me why you have 3 other players higher than you on your rainwall?

 

Those town-reads are ordered, the rest are more groupings.

Also, FYI I realize you were buddying me Fontisian, but I'm giving you a pass on that for today.

Also, I'm kinda surprised how little I was mentioned in my absence, but it's all good I forgive you all.

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I did say it needs calibrating didn't I?

 

Citrus got jokes.

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What does Titus!scum stand to benefit from sharing the plan she introduced?

 

........

You wrote my name using orange.

Real.

 

They most likely would. Then, any time scum kill a PR, they get closer to outing the buddy who claimed a PR. If we get a scum flip in the PRs, then either we have setups that do not match or scum have to pick who they are counterclaiming. We also confirm that X number of VTs must be scum.

It also serves as a team elimination tool.

The first game I used this tactic on had an open setup, this is only semi-open so it's not as precise but still good. It showed that some people had totally wrong reads because they picked a scumteam that could not factually be scum with each other.

 

What do you make of the fact that I'm still slim on reads?

Why has this thread gone 10 pages without you pushing me further?

You just kinda evaporated after dropping this mention.

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If the scum knows how many PR's they are due to their role PM's, wouldn't it be more beneficial to them by mass claiming if we are on a lean PR setup by just tossing in enough fake claimers to make it look like a high PR setup & shooting in the VT pile until town mislyched a PR out of paranoia and then shot another PR that night?

2 PR's for 1 scummate sounds like a decent exchange for scum.

 

Pinky, that's a mistake in thinking. Scum shouldn't look for exchanges because each scumbuddy that flips leaves a treasure trove of information to the others. That's part of the reason why I am so adamant against bussing (but I've been known to bus or two just to throw off the "Titus never busses mantra".)

Plus, all scum would get is knowledge of who a PR is and who is not. The more they act on said knowledge, the more they hurt themselves.

 

The mistake in thinking is that everybody plays scum according to your preferred strategy.

There are plenty of scum who bus, just like there are plenty of scum who sacrifice themselves to advance their team.

To say that such strategies are suboptimal is naive because I can point out games where they won the game when scum otherwise might well have lost due to the skill of particular members of town (but such examples will need to wait for another time and place as I really don't want to crap up this thread with unrelated theory discussion).

Point is, you have to look beyond what you would do and accept that different players have different playstyles & strategies. To do otherwise limits your effectiveness.

 

Bro
You're my highest townread
Also, orange is reserved for the best (said the epitome of orange fruits)

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Pinky
Which plan she mentioned? I just read ~12 pages and don't remember that

 

Wait, what?

Can we get a color key?

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Give 19 & 20 another skim with a focus on her posts.

 

All correct but for the assertion the strategies aren't mathematically sub-optimal. I do look to see if scum took a sub-optimal strategy. Scum can win with sub-optimal strategies. That does not make them good or useful however.

 

There's far more at play in these games than mathematics. Scum can win by playing against the numbers that town use to hunt them.

Reading your enemy is just as effective a tool for scum as it is for town.

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For example... what if we have a team of widely read scum.

They all fakeclaim PR and load the PR pool down.

They shoot VT's while town lynches suspicious (real) PR's.

What happens to your plan, then?

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Widely townread scum*

 

If scum upload the PR pool with claims, then the VTs they shoot tell us a lot about who the scum is.

Plus, each and every scum has to create a plausible story for their actions. If they all claim bulletproof, we'd move towards lynching the bulletproofs as there would be confirmed scum in the bulletproofs. Ex: Three bulletproof claims to avoid a story dictates at least one BP is scum.

Furthermore, if there's PRs that cannot exist together or too many of a particular PR, we know scum must be within the PRs that make the setup impossible.

I'd frankly love it if they all claimed PR.

 

Claiming a Pr is retarded at this point in the game.

Kappa.

 

But your plan was to have players simply say PR or VT?

If we're claiming roles, what is to stop them from splitting their claims among the possible claims that they already know about and town doesn't until the mass claim goes down, with one or two fake claims of the impossible options to WIFOm town as to the possible setup?

It would mean a scum death once the right setup is discovered, but if the fake claimer is widely townread, they could get a couple days out of keeping town confused.

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Professor Scum called. He'd like to invite you to his lecture on WIFOM 101.

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If we decide to do a PR/VT mass claim, I disagree with Titus and say that it should be done today, before scum has a chance to collaborate on possible strategies N1.

Otherwise, we stand to lose a lot more than we gain by giving scum prime targets and camouflage to hide in.

By doing the PR/VT claim on D1, scum is locked into whatever decision they make on the fly.

 

I left my vote on him because I'd only lightly skimmed the thread and he stood out to me most. Since then I've actually read the thread in detail.

For some reason this seems off.

I'm reading fonti as town here. From my limited amount fo experience I generally find that it is town who want to extend the length of the day.

Titus seems really adamant about lynching Rubicon. I am currently voting for Rubicon but as I've said before I think he has done some scummy things but I don't read him as definite scum. Titus seems to read Rubicon as definite scum and hasn't given any real reasoning other than:

Which doesn't seem to justify a definite scum read. Also, if the 'I'll explain later' response makes you think he is scummy why hasn't you called out Fonti? She has said the exact same thing and she isn't in your top 2 scum reads.

This is off. If you are voting for people to get reactions why vote for someone who already has two votes. Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for someone who has no votes?

I don't like this. Posting two different read lists just seems like a way to avoid suspicion.

For example, if Rubicon is town and he gets mislynched Citrus can just quote his 'gut list' and say he knew Rubicon wasn't scum. If Rubicon was town and he got lynched then Citrus can just quote his 'scumdar' list and say he knew Rubicon was scum.

He could do the exact same thing with Sloth. If Sloth is scum he can quote the 'scum-dar' list and if Sloth is town he can quote the 'gut list'.

Unvote: Rubicon
Vote: Citrus

 

Sheeping jph2d. That's a pretty good case.

Vote: Citrus[/vote]

I see why you're townreading Fonti but I love extending days as scum. Given the time here, I don't think the extension can be scum motivated.

Also, don't bold crumbs, even the jokish ones. That doesn't help town. Keep note of them in your QT. Then you can jump on them if someone claims something inconsistent.

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Vote:Citurs

God Damn It.

 

Hey. There's been a death in my family. It's why I'm not around.

Will be back when I can. Will replace if needed.
Sorry.