Ok.
1. That wasn't my argument for Von not being a powerrole. Rubicon was claiming that Von has to be town here because he is confident and in good humor. I disagreed with that assessment.

2. Von already claimed the only role I would be willing to believe, based on his behavior, which is why my vote is elsewhere. If we get to lylo, then there needs to be a massclaim and Von needs to be held to his claim.

 

You forgot to pluralize that.

 

Five more votes!

 

Vote Citrus

The weirdness hit right off the bat with the switch and reswitch in votes with Waco and Titus. I get RVS I see one Waco post in-between the Waco>Titus>Waco and it strikes me funny. That he asks why Waco is listing Snow as Scummy furthers the weirdness because that Snow vote was clearly a RVS thing. It’s the 12th post of the game. The interaction between 95 and 170 feels incredibly scripted.

Also find it weird Waco turns around and gives reasons in 170 for a bunch of reads…but not Snowvon. Snowvon was pinging him as scummy but he doesn’t say why though he lists reads for everyone else in his post.

Do 370 and 373 and 382 both anyone else?

See what bothers me is citrus asks Fonti why she thinks I’m town…then proceeds to infer 3 posts later he thinks I’m town and I might get NKed due to whatever he thought my explanation for my fluff vote would be….and then 9 posts later his rainbows he seems to have me AND fonti in his upper town reads.

Why are you asking why one of your top town picks, town reads someone you also town read? I cannot think of a single town reason for this. I can think of plenty of scum ones though. It makes you look like your hunting when you’re just throwing out random questions. It provides WIFOM for you if I’m NKed….because obviously if I die that means someone is framing you right? Because of course you wouldn’t kill the player you said “jokingly” might die.

His rainbow and guts reads don’t match…at all.

In 391 he tells Lucky that he’s his highest town read because he’s in orange…Also in orange are Waco and Atum who he lists at scum in his gut reads.

Basically I don’t buy his the rainbow is for fun excuse. I think he messed up and is trying to cover it up

 

Guys. Citrus is town.

The rainbow thing was an attempt at using a certain formula to find scum. He posted it as a test and for posterity. The sort of thing is relatively common on fantasy strike, another forum that he plays on, and I really, really doubt he would try to fake it as scum. You can basically ignore and go by his actual reads.

Citrus. Is. Town.

 

Ugh, the site keeps eating my posts whenever I try to preview. Please let me format this correctly on the first go.

TerRaine: I had issue with his naked votes at first as well, but other than that nothing's really stood out to me.

I think this is a little stretch-y. I ask townreads why they townread my other townreads all the time. It's reassuring and shows if your observations are similar, or if there was something about a player that you missed.

And?

I am at least 99% sure he was joking.

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I am victorious.

 

And you don't see a problem with him saying these are my town and scum rankings and then saying a few lines later something completely different?

 

TerRaine, the first list was an experimental method (an example would be everyone who does x action gets a scum point, everyone who does y action gets a town point, then add up a total score for each person and rank them). He didn't mean them to be actual reads.

 

I don't understand how you can realize that so matter-of-factly and so many others are so confused about it.

I'm not revealing the methodology until far enough into the game fyi all because it totally confounds the results.

Also, it's more work than I expected bleh

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In any case, I'll apologize for my low activity across the last few days. Through Saturday evening I had no expectation of being around, but then I got sick Sunday and ended up skipping even more time.

Brb once I slog through the last few hundred posts again

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I didn't town-read you before the point where Fontisian town-read you. Considering how off my read on you was last game, I trust town!Fontisian to be more accurate on reading you than I am. The rainbow scum-dar thing is to be ignored. Thus, you are slotted in soft!town-reads right now. I asked Fontisian why you're town because I wanted to see her reasoning for both my own sake and to hopefully understand why you're potentially town from my own PoV.

That said, I don't think Fontisian ever explained it, so fontisian could you explain why TerRaine is town to me please?

 

Here you go.

 

Scum-dar (no longer in color because it seems everyone didn't even /look/ at my actual reads, probably because of the color)

Snowvon
TerRaine
Rubicon
Fontisian / Atum
Jph / Lucky / Waco Kid
Plotless
Pinky
Sloth / Citrus
Fluffiness
Xanidel
Titus

And then my current reads:

Town
Pinky / Fontisian
Luckylee
Rubicon / TerRaine
Snowvon
Waco Kid
Xanidel
Fluffiness
Jph
Atum
Titus
Scum

Null: Sloth, Plotless

Plotless, you only have 4 posts in the entire thread. Try to post a bit more?

Of those reads, I'm confident enough in Lucky/Fontisian/Pinky to consider them the unlynchable town!block for PoE purposes.

Also this is a bit of personal fun, but I think it's interesting my scum-dar and actual reads are starting to coincide a bit more. Coincidence? I think not

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But that said, please ignore the scum-dar still.

 

I'm really sorry for not posting much, but I've been very sick recently.

Does anyone have questions for me to answer?

 

Rubicon

I'm really feeling town v. town vibes on you and Fontisian. I also feel pretty damn confident she's town, a lot because of the high confidence she's pushed her reads AND her ekeing out an apology on realizing her read was wrong, which doesn't really fit scum!Fontisian. Also, her typical scum-hunting method (not too alignment indicative though) IS to find small things in a few posts and extrapolate them into full-blown reads, which she did do with Snowvon, right?

So. On to why we should lynch Titus:

1) Trying to get major threats to her specific individual existence removed. I tend to be a very high threat to scum!Titus because I tend to focus in on her with high scrutiny. Fontisian is a strong town player and has the clout to actually get her lynched should she think Titus is scum

2) Focusing in on those who scum-read her. I say Titus is my strongest scum-read and BOOM suddenly I'm her strongest scum-read. Rubicon pushes on Fontisian, she vote-parks on Fontisian without really pushing herself, just letting Rubicon push. Finally decides a Fontisian lynch isn't going to happen and she immediately votes me. This is a major scum-tell for her, it was in the previous game (when she was changing win condition neutral) and it's certainly still true here

3) Others have brought up her buddying Pinky/newbies. I didn't really look at that stuff (I tend to be bad at noticing buddying in general), but I'll add it to the list anyways on behalf of those people's scumreads

 

Citrus, would you explain your reads?

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Good timing.

 

Feel better!

Do you still scum-read Lucky?

Is there anyone you scum-read of near confidence?

You might want to move your vote to somewhere more useful, as Lucky is not getting lynched today (partly because he's very likely town, partly because noone's making a case for him and the only vote on him is yours from a ways back)

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I have been known to be a ninja in my time.

Any reads you want explained any further? Including Fontisian/Titus I guess if need be

 

So, you believe confidence is a town tell for fontisian?

You think it's town that she apologized for intentionally forcing a claim from Snowvon and then moved on when she realized she wouldn't be able to lynch him?

What do you think scum-fonti looks like, then?

No.
Or at least, not remotely alignment-indicative.

fontisian would still be scum if she had never made a case on Snowvon, to be clear.

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Well, your fontisian read is wrong, but that's okay. I'll win you over eventually.

Your Pinky read is probably making the mistake of treating him like a newbie.

Dunno where your Waco read comes from.

 

In pushing a scum-read super hard, yes. I can believe she believed her scum-read on Snowvon based on what she gave as evidence (though it's still kinda alignment blind in that). I didn't see him claim beyond the joke claim early on? But it caused you to hone in on her and potentially others could have started a big wagon on her.

I don't think Scum!Fontisian would place that much effort on potential!PR!Snowvon, especially when I'd expect her to be good at manipulating him as scum!Fontisian. I don't think scum!Fontisian is /that/ invested in setting up early mislynches, ESPECIALLY as if Snowvon got mislynched today she'd be almost guaranteed to be lynched tomorrow for her high confidence in the push (it's not as true now because he didn't get lynched and we weren't near day-end). That's a hella dumb risk for scum!Fontisian to take, especially in removing pretty much only Snowvon.

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Is Pinky not new?

Waco's slightly leaning town from null. He hasn't posted much, but his most recent larger post had strong vibes of historic Town!Waco for both his tone and his thought processes. The two weigh out as slightly leaning town from null

 

Actually, fontisian did not apologize for getting a claim from Snowvon and still believes it was the best possible action to take. She does apologize for getting her facts slightly off.

 

That got a bit wordy on Fontisian, but the jist of it is, Fontisian's play today would be very sub-par for scum!Fontisian (horrible valuation) and exactly what I'd expect from town!Fontisian (finding a scum-read and sticking to it)

 

fontisian thinks Snowvon is BP.

Was fonti super passive about her scumreads in CYS? Did she mostly sit in the background instead of pushing mislynches?

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Pinky is from MS.