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The Unfortunate Implications of Parsletongue

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Lord Raine, Jul 1, 2010.

  1. Lord Raine

    Lord Raine Disappeared DLP Supporter

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    Snakes are intelligent. Very, very intelligent. Parselmouths talk to them. And they talk back. The boa constrictor Harry talked to in the zoo had a personality. Hopes. Dreams. It was homesick for it's native land, which it had never actually been to. That's not even 'talking to a stupid animal' talking to an animal. That's talking to another sentient, intelligent being on par with a human.

    The explicit implication here is that anyone could 'talk' to a snake, but that the Parselmouths are the only ones who can actually speak the language and understand what it means. Ergo, all snakes are roughly on par with humans in the intelligence department, and the only thing that separates the two is a language barrier that can only be surmounted by a specific, rare kind of magic.

    Seeing how there is nothing that makes snakes any more special than other animals, this has incredibly disturbing implications.

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  2. Nuhuh

    Nuhuh Dastardly Shadow Admin Retired Staff

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    You are one silly woman.
     
  3. Gullible

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    Or, alternatively; magic.

    i.e. not intelligence
     
  4. Azira

    Azira High Inquisitor DLP Supporter

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    Disturbing implications? Where exactly? This doesn't apply to the real world y'know... and in Harry Potter, I can think of a few things worse than some animals being able to talk.
     
  5. Thurner

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    Fucking vegans want to take over the world.
     
  6. enembee

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    HARRY POTTER IS REAL.

    SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!

    Get back in the kitchen and cook me some higher-thinking lifeforms.
     
  7. Iztiak

    Iztiak Prisoner DLP Supporter

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    We're not eating snakes, ho.

    And beef would still taste the same even if it was intelligent.
     
  8. Silens Cursor

    Silens Cursor The Silencer DLP Supporter

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    Like their entire currency and banking system being under the control of a nation of greedy creatures that have been at war with wizards off-and-on for centuries. Or the fact that they possess at least four spells and multiple potions that would make rapists very happy. Or that there are creatures 'controlled' by the government that can suck out your soul.

    So... yeah.

    This. I'm enjoying my chicken wings, thank you very much. And I will enjoy my steak all the more later tonight
     
  9. Kensington

    Kensington Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    So, you're implying that the ability to speak to any animal exists in the Wizarding World?

    Mootongue: You look delicious.
    Cow: What?!?
    Mootongue: I'm going to skin you and eat you.
     
  10. World

    World Oberstgruppenführer DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    Unfortunate implications? Like the satifaction of eating something as intelligent as (or, in your case, more intelligent than) you?

    I say, bring it on, cowface.
     
  11. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    WTF is up. First Voldemort's hobbies, and now this retarded shit?

    You know as well as I do that this is bullshit reasoning, but I'll humour you and point out exactly where if fails -- at the latest.

    Yes, there is. It's the fact that Parselmouths can talk to them.

    /thread
     
  12. Skeletaure

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    Being able to talk clearly does not an intelligence make, in the Harry Potter world. There are many non-intelligent (or at least, non-sentient) things that can talk due to magic, such as portraits.

    What Harry hears when he hears the Basilisk seems to be a much more accurate representation of how a snake thinks without interference.
     
  13. Blaise

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    One thing I always found trippy about the whole Parseltongue bit, was from the incident with Harry at the zoo:

    They speak another language - in another language. That's like speaking fluent French - in Russian.

    Conclusion: other than concluding that they most likely drink Dos Equis, and knowing which ones kill people, nobody cares about some motherfuckin' talkin' snakes, or the motherfuckin' extent of their motherfuckin' sentience.
     
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  14. Mutt

    Mutt High Inquisitor DLP Supporter

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    @Lord Raine: What's your sig from? Methods of Rationality? You really should cite that shit.
     
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  15. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Your last picture made me hungry. I really want a nice filet mignon now. Preferably cooked medium rare. Oh, and with a nice baked potato on the side topped with butter, sour cream, and lots of cheese. Mmmm. Maybe toss in a bloomin' onion or something for an appetizer, and some kind of vegetable I guess. Asaparagus or corn or something.

    Damn, nice.

    On another note. I always thought it odd as well that snakes appeared to have such intelligence, though I never caught the significance of the "amigo" statement. Thanks Blaise.

    There's not a good explanation for it. They aren't really intelligent, they can't be, but they speak as if they are. So I'm just going to attribute it to magic. Here, watch, I'll make up some BS and try to make it sound believable.

    Being a parseltongue means more than just being able to talk to snakes. It signifies the ability to exert control over them (moreso than just convincing them to do things). Using magic to do so infuses them with some portion of limited intelligence that comes from the speaker. This is the actual source of parseltongue fear.

    It's BS, but whatever. Try hard enough and it might be made to work with some suspension of disbelief in a fanfic at any rate.
     
  16. Sacrosanct

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    All this means is there is absolutely no reason why cannibalism is immoral.

    Let's figure this out together shall we?

    Snakes can talk

    Snakes are sentient

    Snakes are animals

    This means that

    Animals can talk

    Animals are sentient

    This is where it gets trippy

    Humans can talk

    Humans are sentient

    And according to Darwin

    Humans are basically animals

    Ahh but

    Humans eat animals

    Therefore

    Humans eat humans :O_O:
     
  17. Oz

    Oz For Zombie. Moderator DLP Supporter

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    Take a logic class and try again, SS.

    Lord Raine... you're a moron.
     
  18. Skeletaure

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    O.O Wow. Let's go through this shall we...


    I'm going to assume you're talking within the HP world here...

    Begging the question. For this to be true, you'd need the premise "Animals possess all traits which snakes possess".

    The ridiculousness of your inference can be seen thus: Snakes have no legs. Snakes are animals. Therefore animals have no legs.

    Clearly false.

    Basically, snakes are animals, but not all animals are snakes.

    This is pretty much the same problem as above. It seems you're confusing yourself with the word "are". In this case, it's a membership relation, not an identity. Humans are a subset of the set of animals, not identical to the set of animals.

    "Humans are animals, humans eat animals, therefore animals eat animals." is a correct inference. Yours is not, because it fails to recognise that there are animals that aren't human, due to the above confusion about "are".
     
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  19. LittleChicago

    LittleChicago Headmaster DLP Supporter

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    I think there must be a reason zombies go after us, first.

    Honestly, If you want to save the snakes and all other 'intelligent' life on earth, you'll need to set off a zombie apocalypse.
     
  20. happilyeverafter

    happilyeverafter Sixth Year

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    Big fucking deal. You're talking about a book here, snakes can't actually talk. And the last time I checked, people don't eat snakes. Ipso facto, it doesn't matter whether snakes can talk in a piece of fiction because I'm going to enjoy my roast beef anyway.
     
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