You are assuming that one witch remains. We do not know that! That is a terrible thing to just assume. It is possible, but we just don't know. Both of our 'Oracles' had their last check at 2. I called for Zennith to post because I suspect he could be the remaining witch. I highly doubt it is you, and if one of Dovaekiin and KaiDASH is a witch, the remaining one is out of me and Zennith.

I wanted to see who Zennith chose to support, as that might give some sort of hint.

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That's why I didn't understand your plan.

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Have to go board game, back in 2 hours to see any responses.

 

That last post is scummier than the previous one.

LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!

/me cries some more

Questions for you, Ash:

1) Can Aekiel and Kai be scumbuddies?
a) Yes = You're crazy
b) No = Then Lungs was scum

2) Can Lungs and Zennith be scumbuddies?
a) Yes = You're a bit crazy or very paranoid and conspiracy-oriented
b) No = Then the last scum is either Gambit (dead), me or you.

Which is more likely?

Also, if there are two witches alive, odds are heavily stacked on them being Aekiel's buddies rather than Kai's, which would make lynching Aekiel first the only way we can still win.

...

I think I made up my mind. I'll take my chances with Kai's possible soup kill.

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I swear this is the last time.

Rescind Deadline Lynch Vote
Deadline Lynch Vote: KaiDASH

And now I'm passing out. Whoever else is town, please, don't hammer it.

 

out of class now, yay

Myself on nights 1 and 3.

On night 1 I though I was reasonably likely to get priest checked, and on night 3 I thought it was likely I'd be angel protected or pied.

--

Anyway, people list (ranked by townness)

KaiDASH
Stojil

Ashaya
Zennith

Aekiel

Stojil is 100% town because he could have quickhammered in post 353 if he was a witch, instantly winning the game (as it would have been 2 witches + lump vs 2 town).

My rational behind publicly asking the pie question was because I was trying to figure out what world we could potentially be in and knowing what hit Stojil on n2 was important for that. I guess that gave away to Aekiel (along with the fact that I self-oracled n1 and n3 and the priest is almost certainly dead) that I was just about to claim.

This check confirm chain is crap - What could have hit Stojil on consecutive nights? Considering the livelist at the start of night 3:

Gambit - Unknown
Lungs - Scum
Menace - DoB
Castiel - Martyr
Ash
Dovaekiin
Kai
Uncle Stojil
Zennith

This is the livelist now

Ash
Dovaekiin
Kai
Uncle Stojil
Zennith

Assuming that the Clown did not throw further pies at Stojil (Stojil can confirm this) then one of the following had to have happened:
n3-n4
1. angel-angel
2. angel-priest
3. priest-angel

One I view as basically impossible, considering Menace exists and the fact that n4 allowed for a witch death curse.

Two and three are also unlikely, because I think the priest is dead, as Ashaya, Zennith and Stojil all 100% would have checked me at some point and found I was innocent.

(Zennith hasn't managed to pitch in so far today, but I think there is only a small chance that he is the priest. However, if you are, and you have innocent on me/evil on aekiel AND either an inno on Ashaya or an evil on ollie the game is over).

I'm not really sure what else I can do at this point.

 

Okay, 2 hours of board gaming turned into 6.

Still waiting for Zennith to pitch in, assuming he will when he wakes up tomorrow, as it is 4:18 am his time.

Guess I'm just gonna go to bed and see what happens tomorrow.

 

Rescind Deadline Lynch Vote
Deadline Lynch Vote: Aekiel

:awesome

There are lots of things that make both your claims both believable and suspicious. So fuck you.

I still think Kai is the scummiest, but if he's a witch he's 99% the last one IMO, and postponing his lynch would mean a win anyway, if he misses on his soup-kills.

If Aekiel is the scum instead, he wins if we lynch Kai and he successfully kills someone. He also wins if he's not the last witch remaining, which is much more likely than with kai.

I really think this is our safest bet...

...for now.

 

Jesus, stop changing your mind and confusing me, Stojil. I don't think Kai is 99% the last one at all!!

I think it IS possible for Zennith and Lungs and Kai to be on a scum team. I just don't want us making erroneous assumptions based on 'you think Kai is the last member of his scum team' despite last knowing there are two scum out there.

Yes, Gambit could very likely have been scum, but I prefer not assuming that.

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Still waiting to see what Zennith says, and who he votes for.

 

Come on...

Like, half of Lungs' posts are votes/accusations against Zennith. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's damn unlikely that they're scumbuddies.

And Ash, unless Zennith is an info-role and has info that would win the game in spite of his possible roleclaim, then we are simply forced to take this decision based on assumptions.

We start from a sure thing, though, and that is that Lungs is scum, since both Oracles (the real one too, whoever that is) says so. Then, in my mind, it goes something like this:

Line of assumptions #1:

Since Lungs is scum, it's very unlikely that Zennith is his buddy, which means Zennith is probably town. Which means he's not with Aekiel if Aekiel is scum and, most importantly, he's not with Kai if Kai is scum.

You have voted Kai (standard-voted too, at first, which could have meant hammer if Zennith or I had mirrored you) and firmly stayed on him, which means you're probably not with Kai, either, if he's scum.

I know I'm not scumbuddy with Kai, but reread the thread and tell me what you think of that, if you wish.

So from my point of view, Kai most probably doesn't have any alive scumbuddy. That means that if he simply night-kills someone tonight, then we have the chance to lynch him tomorrow if we decide to lynch Aekiel and the game doesn't end.

Line of assumptions #2:

Gambit is definitely Lungs' most likely scumbuddy considering their posts.

Both Aekiel and Lungs have very interesting connections to Gambit. There's this too, take a look:

What about Ollie? The Oracle receives the number of witches alive at the beginning of night, but he completely ignores Menace's revenge-kill of Gambit which happens at the end of it and isn't included in his check-results. This could be interpreted as either the Oracle derping about his own role, scum derping about the Oracle role, or scum conveniently leaving buddy!Gambit out of the picture to let us think there are two scum alive while there is actually only one.

So if the scumteam was Aekiel/Gambit/Lungs, then lynching Aekiel would win us the game.

And finally...

The chances of scum winning are higher if Aekiel is the one fakeclaiming Oracle rather than Kai. That's because:

1) His vote is worth 2.
2) I can't see Kai being scumbuddy with either you or Zennith for already stated reasons, but it's a bit more likely that you are Aekiel's scumbuddy (from an outsider perspective, it's also much more likely that I am Aekiel's scumbuddy, rather than Kai's), which would mean 2 scum are alive, which would make lynching Aekiel a must, like I said.

I honestly don't know who is the scum. There's "evidence" against and pro the both of them. But I'm now convinced Aekiel has to go first.

 

I'm so fucking behind because I spent a day without fucking internet after I moved and Time Warner was a bitch. Cool. Anyways, the double claim from Kai and Aekiel certainly is interesting, and Kai's been super off this entire time.


But, despite that fact, I think Stojil is right - the safest play here is to Lynch Aekiel despite the fact that he seems less scummy to me. It makes sense at the moment to play safe and play for the end game - which is a town win. It would be satisfying to see Kai hung because he's been kinda derpy this whole game, but I think we have to go with Aekiel.


Unless Stojil is himself scum, which is technically possible, but Kai put up a good argument for why he is not.

Aek and Ash could be sumbuddies, sure. One of Aek or Kai is certainly not UNLESS both are lying and they're actually a scumteam, which feels unlikely but maybe could be true? But since both are hammering to kill the other, probably not (and really, what sense would that make)

I'm going to go ahead and vote for Aekiel unless something crazy changes my mind.

Deadline Lynch: Aekiel

 

So it's a tie. I figured it would come to this. It's actually kind of relieving, because I don't have to rely on subterfuge any more. Everything comes down to one deciding fact.

If the Judge is alive, town wins. If he's dead, me and Ashaya win.

If the Judge is alive, he lynches me since I'm the obvious choice (and I expect I'd have been lynched in the event of a tie anyway). If not, well, not even the Leeroy can save you.

If the Leeroy is alive and activates today, I die and the game goes into this night phase with three players. Part of the plan was to have Lungs set off his death curse today, so that's a guaranteed nightkill tonight. Game goes down to one town and one scum. Since the Leeroy and Judge are both dead in this world (because why wait to win the game?) there is no way to prevent a tie. I activate my death curse and Ashaya nightkills whoever is left.

If the Leeroy waits until tomorrow, we win anyway because we can kill the rest of you with a combination of nightkills and tied lynches.

If the Leeroy is dead, well, tough luck.

So, the game hinges on one thing. Is the Judge alive?

Well, are you?

 

Well fuck.

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/me kills the Lump with a stick

We now have majority.

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If it wasn't clear enough, I'm not.

Zennith, you're our last hope.

 

I want to make a Star Wars joke out of that, but Zennith's name just doesn't fit.

 

This game was dumb and you should all feel bad.

 

Well, I'm glad you're posting, jwlk. Because that means the Judge is dead and my derp was ininfluent. Heh, there's that. I would have felt awful if I had cost town the win.

 

Sadly, I'm the Pope. One turn away from potentially being useful. Also, fuck if I wasn't right about Ash this entire goddamn time.

 

I'm gonna take that as a The Judge Is Dead. I think I'll break out the celebratory vodka then!

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Excellent. Scum wins!

 

What the fuck was Kalas?

 

The Judge, if his slowclap PM to me says anything about it.

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Gotta say, I enjoyed playing this game. It's the first time I've successfully pulled off scum into the endgame.

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Anyone willing to post the rolelist?

 

Well, you guys hitting the Priest on day 1 (and probably for bullshit reasons, too) was kind of a crippling start for us. But you kind of rocked, too, Aekiel. Bravo.

I was the Acolyte to soundlyParanoid's Priest.

Fucking Gambit...

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(as in even indirectly derpy, Ollie, heh, no offence)

 

Wow. You didn't peg to me on day two? I mean, that was my biggest derp this entire game. I outright asked Gambit if he was the Acolyte, which is never a town move.

 

LOL

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