Hm. I need to doublecheck with Eido, but I'm pretty sure a Judge lynch doesn't actually count as a lynch when it comes to the Vigilante. So not everyone gets their info with this plan.

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It also tells the Witches for sure whether or not the Judge is alive and helps them narrow down worlds.

Forgot to add that.

 

Hmm .. i only went by the wording :

Judge: At the end of day, if the Lynch vote is tied or no lynch, you may pick a player to lynch

Vigilante: The first Night after two consecutive lynches of Town members, you may kill a player. A Vigilante kill appears the same as a regular Witch Night Kill.

According to the wording, a judgekill still is a lynch. If we hit a town it should always count for the vigi.

But yeah lets ask Eido, in case I am wrong!

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WTF Von.

It is day 1 .. of course the judge is alive.

This is only a day 1 play.

Or valid for day 2 if for some reason the witches didnt kill anyone n1 (saves or whatever).

 

Oh, you're talking about only doing this Day 1.

 

Jan, I did not see that. So, nice catch. I do see one problem with it, however...

What if we run up the Judge? I mean, Judge is not going to hit themselves, right? They'd have to claim. Claiming is bad.

 

It does complicate our lynching process for end of day 1, but if we hit a witch we reduce their information gain by a lot.

And we do not actually lose anything, as long as the vigi thing still works out.

 

The Tinyhunt rules on FS state that Judge kill doesn't count towards Vigilante so it's kind of ??? whether or not that was a quirk added over there or if it should have been part of the rules.

We'll see!

 

Which is why we pick someone as a group that we want to lynch, and then say Judge if you're damn sure someone else should be lynched lynch them but we're blaming you if you mess things up.

Boom goes the WIFOM, plus the lynch target can appeal to the judge without claiming if they want. Ex: bucket claim and then if the Judge /really/ thinks they're town just lynch someone else (preferably there's a second player there's general willingness on to lynch them). But that said, we should still use real votes until near day-end, because even if someone quickhammers or something they're held accountable because D1

 

I guess that sounds reasonable.

I guess Jan isn't a Witch.

Maybe.

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By the way, Citrus, you should Lump me.

 

Judge is one of the roles who would always claim before dying anyway day1.

Because if the judge can choose between dying there or giving us the chance to hit a witch, that is always what he will do.

And a witch cant fakeclaim judge day 1, because we will nolynch and the judge kills the fakeclaim.

A claimed judge is kinda bad, but witches then have to decide killing him n1 or trying to hit the priest. Or they try to soup them, which only works if they have good pr reads already. (Soup is always instead of the nightkill for witches)

 

Hey.

Hey, Jan.

Lump me.

You know you want to.

 

Yes Citrus, we should play this out as a normal day 1. Just end it a bit earlier so we can sort through the end of day with a bit more patience, we might need it.

 

Newcomb you had two paragraphs in otherwise large posts touching on him. I was hoping for something a little more in depth.

 

I am fine with Citrus for now - he is still sparkling a bit greener than you are.

Also - with great power comes great responsibility, and I am not sure if you can handle it!

Citrus you can take away the lump from me if you want btw. i won't get towns lumps anyway, while you have a real chance.

 

You're already voting with me. Might as well Lump me while you're at it.

Plus, Citrus is a nerd.

 

I am pretty sure it should count for the vigi, but i did ask eido just to be sure.

 

Jan: Okay, that makes sense. I'm on board!

Kalas: Like, no? Everything I think about him, pretty much, is in those posts. I'm not going to do a huge case on why he's a big townread. I work by PoE - establish town reads, then focus on the remainder. If you think he's scum, make a case and I'll listen to it, but I don't think he is, so my efforts are better focused elsewhere.

 

Jan's plan seems solid as long as we get the counter. If we don't it's not worth it. Town info > denying scum info.

Snow you dropped all interest in me once this Nae'blis thing came up. Why?

 

Reeking of desperation does not suit you.

Also - I like nerds!

 

There's more interest in a Nae wagon than a Kalas wagon.

I'll get back to killing you shortly. <3

 

Add on to Jan - assuming the Vigi thing works out. I'm... kinda on board even if Judge doesn't count for Vigi, I think? Because "witch loses Last Gasp if we get one" I think outweighs the possibility that a) we mislynch twice, and b) Vigi is alive to shoot? But, assuming Judge kill counts for Vigi, then yeah, all good.