But then both of them were claiming mechanical info? Like unless they fucked up in scum chat or it was a pseudo slip on typhon's part that doesn't make sense. I don't think 2 scum would both fake-claim the same thing, nor was typhon softing a slip of any kind

Fontisian who are you talking to with that post?

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Fontisian, I reread the thread and I really really think the riley slot is scum. Please trust me and lynch it/force it to claim

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Like I have to be wrong about one of my solid townreads for it to be town, I'm that positive

 

These two amount to the same question, basically, and by saying they're the same question I think I more or less have given the answer.

Basically, we've got so many people soft claiming mechanical knowledge, and confirming each other as town because that mechanical knowledge concurs, I feel like we have to have had a graverobber on N1. The alternative is that more than just scum are lying - there are town players soft claiming mechanical knowledge they don't have.

 

I was talking to Newcomb. Why is the slot scum, Citrus?

 

It claimed concrete information than coasted til replacement. And it just feels off, something about it just doesn't sound right to me. I think?

 

....

Because hardclaiming one of two roles Day 2 is so scummy.

 

It is if you know it's a safe claim.

I just realized something. What if Kalas was the Oracle. Scum would know by D2 that the Oracle is dead. AND know the priest checked you specifically.

Did you make any progress on finding any weird read swings on you by the way?

 

But it's Riley. What mastermind do you think is coming up with these plans, exactly?

And no, I haven't.

 

It's really not that hard to just fake-claim what you know is already dead.

Also, witches have day-chat right? Plus in that world all 3 scum were alive going into day. Of all the players in the game, Riley had the least content D1 so it would've been most useful for him to drop the claim and then coast back out

 

Currently reading through thread, turns out 12 pages of 100 posts each is a ton especially with all the words you guys put out. Was only to get around to the end of page 4. This is all stream-of-consciousness stuff.

I'll try to knock through the thread today but no promises.

Page 1:

Irene's first post feels a tad too crafted for my liking.

Also Jan + Sesc are town because they got NK'd, which means that fontisian is town because PoE. There's scum between Waco/Kalas/Nae'blis then.

Interesting how Newcomb declares his? attacker as townie right off the bat.

Do like how Irene is tearing into Newcomb though. Aggressive.

I also like Cobalt's first post. Reads somewhat genuinely.

Newcomb also has a "Figure Things Out" vibe.

Irene "I think you are scummy, I call you out to catch you." scum vs scummy difference

To be honest Irene's behavior feels calculated so far. I'm pretty wary. Tons of IIoA as well.

I like Taure's first post as well.

"To that end, I assigned all players numbers and rolled a die." God that's bad.

I liked Taure's first post because he showed lack of self awareness but his posts have been terrible thus far.

Page 2:

Also this might take longer than expected for me to read.

"If neither of them are witches, the real witches are laughing their heads off right now at how quickly we've invested in killing one of them." shows town mindset from Taure?

Snowvon might be town.

Page 3: Nothing of interest

Page 4:

Scratch all that, #301 rules misunderstanding by Taure feels genuine.

Cobalt v Taure feels like town on town

Also like Taure's read post.

Typhon's "Sorry, I just finally got to be town and I have so many emotions" feels tacked on

Bunch of mechanics stuff in Typhon's post, no behavioral reads of any sort. Dislike.

Oh he then goes to reads. Let's see.

Unsure how I feel about him having two confirmed townies/one likely town as his reads. Just unsure if he'd NK Jan N1 if he's pushing Jan for top scumread.

God a bunch of mechanics discussion.

Even though Typhon is likely scum due to PoE + Irene's behavior, my gut feels differently? Just reading his posts I can get slight twinges of towniness and I'm actually reluctant to lynch him? It's really hard when you aren't familiar with half the playerbase.

Sesc
Jan
Nae'blis
Kalas
The Waco Kid
Snowvon

Prophylaxis
Fontisian
Taure
Cobalt
Newcomb
Citrus
Typhon

 

I dunno, man. He was pretty wishy-washy in some of his reads, and his mindset was suspect. Oh and there was that little thing where Nae the Leeroy activated on him and he DOB shot Kalas, so there's that.

 

Ok, let's say it's D2, all three witches are alive, and Kalas the Oracle is dead. The witches also know the gravedigger didn't go off. Now, unless Jan was precisely the gravedigger, they still can't risk lying about Kalas because the gravedigger could always check Kalas' role down the line.

 

Weird mixture of chronological and non-chronological from Proph

 

Finished skimming the thread, reads mostly have not changed. It's possible that I dive back and reread but unlikely.

Can someone please explain to me why Citrus is town? I kind of want to do a detailed read-through on him since he hasn't come up in my threadskim despite being the top 1 poster.

 

Two main reasons to think Citrus is town:

1. Witches killing Sesc seems designed to get us to get us to lynch Citrus, as he counter-claimed priest. The witches killing Sesc doesn't make too much sense unless both Sesc and Citrus were town, because if Citrus were a witch, killing Sesc would normally lead to the lynch of a witch, whereas leaving both alive could result in a witch surviving and being thought to be the priest. (Of course, there remains the risk of the witches predicting this reaction and going for the double bluff).

2. The witches didn't use soup last night, implying they were uncertain over Citrus and Sesc's roles.

 

Because we've talked ourselves into believing that CC'ing Priest!Sesc and trying to draw the lynch off him was all a clever ploy that scum!Citrus would never do because if he stayed quiet, Priest!Sesc was getting lynched anyway.

Um.

God that sounds like a stupid reason to townfirm someone when I say it out loud like that.

Citrus, you sure you're town and stuff?

fonti I kinda asked you about it earlier - you seemed to know what was going on yesterDay - what's your confidence level in Citrus here? 80%? 99% Literally 100%?

 

I am willing to lose if Citrus is a witch.

 

Welp, that answers that I guess.

Do you think Proph should fullclaim here?

Leaning towards yes, myself.

 

Shame on you Newcomb, what happened to remembering the other 95% of my posts this game.

I believe prophylaxis should claim, yes.

 

Yeah, yeah. You can have my paranoia when you take it from my cold, dead fingers.

 

Prophylaxis

Yeah, I think Proph should fully claim.

Analysis when I get home on some recent stuff.

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ME TOO THOUGH.

Like, your post literally summarized my Citrus paranoia.

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Citrus, if you're scum running circles around us just know that I'mma cry, okay?