Newcomb has 2 votes.

 

Taure, I think you are on crack. Re read D2, secs claimed before I could have ever retracted.

If we let you judge, will you listen to us or are you just hellbent on judging me? I'm willing to explain to you why I'm town once more, but I'm worried you have that stick shoved too far up your posterior.

Cobalt, lump makes 6 votes FYI. Newcomb has to vote

 

He specifically provided you with multiple opportunities:

And then, even after Sesc outright said he was priest, instead of retracting and confessing to your gambit, you stuck to it, continued to claim priest, and risked us lynching Sesc.

Fake claiming to confuse soup is one thing (though I think overused in this game). Maintaining that fake claim and risking the lynch of the real priest is another.

I'm well aware of the reasons to think you're not scum. I summarised the main two in #1134. But they both require a certain overthinking of the situation. Like I said, I am no longer confident that you wouldn't double bluff us with regards to a Sesc night kill. I feel like a lot of your behaviour since Sesc's claim has been designed to spread confusion and keep the town pointing in the wrong direction. In the midst of that confusion, the best tactic is to return to absolute basics, and that is: you counter-claimed Sesc, you have been exposed as lying, we should lynch you.

And unfortunately, nothing you can say in your defence can help you at this point, because how could I possibly trust any of it? You've already said so many things that you admitted were lies later. No doubt this would just be another.

 

Vote: Taure

See ya

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Newcomb

The game's back on, in case you didn't know

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I am very disappointed in you Taure, just saying. Be ready to get yelled at post-game. And no, this isn't me making up a shitty reaction like I did with Fontisian.

 

Somehow I will find a way to cope without your approval.

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Also, WOW.

Citrus, you just made a huge error lol.

He's disappointed. He's going to yell. Why would he do such a thing, if he thinks I'm scum? If I'm a witch, I'm making a fake claim. It's a desperate and pretty ineffective strategy, but still pretty much in line with what you'd expect from scum. Nothing to be disappointed or angry over.

Citrus is saying he's disappointed and angry because he knows I'm town. Disappointment and anger only make sense in that world, because I've deliberately fucked town over by helping soup.

How does he know I'm town? He's a witch.

 

Close, but not quite why I'm upset with you. I'm upset with you because you're unwilling to look at the facts or not just barrel stubbornly forward, making it irrelevant what your alignment is. And that's a pretty pathetic thing to have to deal with (for us). You're literally not willing to even consider you're wrong - you're basically that little kid in the corner with fingers in his ear going "NEENER NEENER IM RIGHT YOURE WRONG" without even listening to me.

And fyi, I wouldn't be disappointed/angry if I were scum, because then you would be helping me as scum.

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For example: look at the posts Sesc made that you quoted again. You're saying what, I didn't say I am not the Priest when he asked me if I had anything to say? None of us knew he was Priest until AFTER he claimed it, and at that point it was worth a shot to try and protect him. Why the fuck else would I fake-claim and not push to get him lynched?

You seriously aren't even trying to consider you're wrong, that's why you're going to get yelled at.

 

Mafia is a game about relationships as much as it is facts, because to have facts you have to first have people believe the people releasing information.

You have completely failed to cultivate a relationship of trust with me. The others may trust you for metagame reasons, but I've never played with you before, and even if I had, I generally don't give weight to metagame reasoning.

I would have been plenty willing to listen to your facts if you had played in such a way as to have a non-zero level of trust in you. I listened to your "facts" earlier. They all turned out to be lies. Now you don't get to tell me what is and isn't fact.

That's just the way human relationships work. Liars don't get believed.

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Yes, that is what I'm saying. The posts clearly indicated he knew you weren't the priest, implying he was. Your failure to save Sesc by admitting you weren't the priest forced him to say he was. Thanks to you, we were all set to lynch Sesc until he claimed.

 

I guess he's just taking me in, but I honestly almost believe this. Like, it's Naeblis style stuff all over again. I don't necessarily agree with what he's saying, but I do geniunely believe that he believes it... If it weren't for the claim, I'd almost certainly be defending him. As it is, I think he's scum?

Ugh. I want Newcomb's post/reaction before I vote here.

 

Just got into cell service, saw fonti died, will catch up. I know I got pinged a few times; apologies, was hiking yesterday. Phone only until tonight.

 

It's only fucking obvious in hindsight.

If it was apparent at all he was claiming priest when he said that, then he was fucked because he softed it and it'd be obvious if I 'retracted'. If it wasn't apparent, then I didn't realize it.

But for some reason you expect me to have noticed it when noone else did. Totally not double standards.

And fuck off with your 'building relationships of trust'. You've decided regardless of something I did, because it involved a lie it means you have to ignore everything I say. Even when it's a fucking pro-town move. Go reread the mafiascum page on gambits you loved to cite, because apparently you didn't even understand that simple paragraph.

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You think Taure is scum?

 

It is a double standard. As the initiator of the gambit, the onus was on you to be on the lookout for any negative repercussions. Even when those surfaced, you still didn't retract.

We didn't lynch Sesc because of fonti and Cobalt and Newcomb. You had very little to do with it.

Even your post voting for Waco (well after town was moving away from a Sesc lynch) made it clear you still thought Sesc was a witch -- you maintained the priest claim. And this fits perfectly well with you being scum: why have the town lynch Sesc, when you know you can kill him during the night? You might as well have the town lynch another player and conveniently lay down some pro-Sesc credentials for after his death.

The moment Sesc claimed you should have retracted in full.

 

By way of POE, yes. These response are just pinging me the same way Naeblis did, and I don't like it.

Not rushing Newcomb, I know he's doing his thing, but he's been less and less active as it has gone on, and I really don't want to live in a scumcomb world where he logs on after I vote, hammers, then wins.

 

What in the blooming fuck is wrong with you.

We didn't lynch Sesc because I TOLD THEM NOT TO IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND THEN FONTISIAN CAUGHT ON.

Holy fuck, like I'm about ready to insult your IQ because I legitimately believe you're having trouble with simple logic. If I was a witch I'd want to get a fucking mislynch. I could have gotten the priest mislynched. That means I could have killed someone else in the night AFTER mislynching Sesc. THERES NO FUCKING REASON AT ALL TO NOT TAKE THE MISLYNCH ON A PRIEST. NONE AT ALL. Like I'm not just dealing with a 5-year old with fingers in his ears - I'm dealing with the logical deduction skills of a 5-year old too.

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And Waco was scum thank you very much, so fuck off. Not only did I not go for a priest mislynch, but I fucking helped us lynch a witch in the end that day.

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I'm literally done, I'm banning myself from checking this forum for at least a few hours before I lose my cool

 

Sesc claims: 764

Fonti says we shouldn't lynch Sesc: #781

Cobalt says we shouldn't lynch Sesc: #784

Your post saying we shouldn't lynch Sesc YET, even though you knew he was the priest: #800

So, er, congrats on rewriting history there. Town consensus was well on its way to not lynching Sesc well before you jumped on board.

Waco being scum depends on us believing you in the first place. For someone who likes throwing out personal aspersions on logical deduction, you sure like making circular arguments: I'm town because I voted to lynch scum!Waco, Waco is scum because I'm town.

There's plenty reason: you lose nothing (Sesc dies anyway) and you're able to confuse the town the next day by having made weak pro-Sesc arguments (let's not lynch him yet!) without actually committing to a pro-Sesc position (which maintains the ambiguity).

 

I need a little time to check my logic and go back over people, but from where I'm standing it has to be Taure or Typhon from PoE. Fonti trusts Citrus, I trust fonti, and I went and read parts of the scum game Cobalt linked and if he's a witch this game, then bravo.

I almost think it's Typhon because of those TMI-ish comments Citrus pointed out yesterday - on phone or I'd dig them up - but I acknowledge that I'm biased for wanting to be right all along on Irene.

Where are we on votes? Would a double vote here hammer Taure?

 

Oh, and with regards to Waco, if he was scum, then you can't take the credit. I was the one who kept the pressure on him while you guys debated switching away from him. It was fonti saying that I was town at #876 that persuaded you to keep your vote on Waco. Prior to that you were saying you were on the fence (see 846), you decided to follow fonti's lead at 885.

 

Moderator note: While not strictly necessary, making vote and elect votes on a new line, and colored would make my life a lot easier. See Citrus' post #16.

Vote Count #627
Taure (2): Cobalt, Citrus
Citrus (1): Taure

Abstaining (2): Newcomb, Typhon

With 6 votes alive, it will be 4 to soft lynch, and 5 to hard lynch.

(Let me know if there are any mistakes, or just clarify your vote in your next post if it's not what you think it should be)

Day End Timer - 2+ days remain!

 

Though I'm no longer sure he's scum because the assumptions that led to it no longer hold.

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That was about Waco, btw.

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Okay, so in reality I'm 50/50 between Citrus and Typhon. I've been on Citrus so hard because everyone else is so happy to treat him as god - if I don't go after him, no one will. But there's a good chance it could be Typhon, as I mentioned at the start of the day.

And as I mentioned at the start of the day, Typhon's statements semi-supporting me do make me suspicious. It's like he's laying down the groundwork for after you lynch me and the game still isn't over. In such a world, scum!Typhon gets to point to his lone voice of support for town!Taure and points the finger at town!Citrus as pushing so hard for my lynch as a target of opportunity.

It's actually kinda similar groundwork laying as I'm accusing Citrus of re: Sesc. Enough to point to later as evidence of your innocence but not actually enough to change the course of events. That level of bet-hedging is innately suspicious to me.

Add to that Irene's hitting on likely-town!Newcomb and Typhon's abandonment of it when he took up the slot, making it hard to read.

It's all very evasive play.

I still think there's a good chance that it's Citrus, but that lynch clearly isn't going to happen, so I'll switch to Typhon.

Rescind vote

Lynch vote: Typhon

 

Now he's voting the only other possibility to avoid the lynch.
Newcomb Typhon

Trust me on this. Drop the fucking hammer.

 

Yeah, the fact that he flipped to Typhon immediately after I opened the door for it makes me feel pretty good about this.

Vote: Taure