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Veela or Metamorphmagus? (Why not both?)

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Brian64, Aug 22, 2008.

  1. FollowTheReaper

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    Yes, I'll have to concede defeat... Though it can contain fap material too? *Hopeful expression*
     
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    Porn is not hard to find...
     
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    It is not, but well made porn, or in this case well written, cannot be found so easily, with asstr.org and AFF ruining everything. Even Restrictedsection has been contaminated :(
     
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    Clicked it, and failed to see the fucking point...
    Yes, that one is the wet dream of every sane male from here to fucking Timbuktu, but I still failed to see the point in pointing out one of the only fapworthy fics out of thousands of almost "Hagrid/Dobby" styles slashfics... -_-' but I'm just weird like that :D
     
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    Because it is one of the only fapworthy fic's out of millions of Harry/Draco. I think we jacked the thread again. >_>
     
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  7. Skeletaure

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    This is exactly what I was going to say. The metamorphmagus is clearly superior, since she can look as good as any Veela and more.

    Oh, also, Fleur isn't a Veela.
     
  8. Sesc

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    Not to start that debate once again, but we actually don't know what she is. She could be, for all we know.

    And the Metamorphmagus can only look as good as any witch. Veelas have this whole supernatural beauty thing going. I'd take the Veela, although the decision is hard indeed.
     
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    Fanon has added a lot more to the Veela than we have seen in canon, I think.

    We only see Veela twice.

    The first time at the World Cup game itself, the second in the aftermath, when Ron tries to tell them that he created a broom that could fly to Jupiter.

    In both situations, the power of the Veela was described as an irresistible urge to try to impress them. Not an "aura of beauty", not crazy sex magic.

    Their beauty has never been described in more than physical terms - it is merely that they are very beautiful, physically speaking. I do not think there is anything magical about their looks - the magic of the Veela is related to subverting the will of the observer, not making themselves look good.

    Thus the only thing that the Metamorphmagus can't replicate is the ability to make people irrational by their presence - they can still look just as good as a Veela does.
     
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    Which really made it all the worse when they picked that person to act as Tonks. Really, if you could look like anything you ever wanted, would you really want to look like that?

    But yeah, I'd pick metamorph over veela. Veela also turn into psycho bird monsters when they get angry.
     
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    I suppose when you can look however you want, you no longer have any insecurity about how you appear, and so have no problems with looking ugly, secure in the knowledge that it would only take a blink of an eye to be a complete knockout, if you were so inclined.

    I can easily imagine metamorphmaguses developing odd tastes in appearance due to their powers.
     
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    Hm, I didn't think about it that way... I suppose it would also prevent people from suspecting that she actually is a metamorph. Provoking reactions rather like mine, I would guess.

    But still, you can't say you don't wish they picked someone a little bit better looking? Can you? ;)
     
  13. Sesc

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    What's wrong with a temperamental, err, bird? Provided you have magic to shield yourself and fix damage, fire makes things interesting ... hot. I'll still take the Veela.


    More than human -- superhuman; beauty-wise.

    But the thing is, we know next to nothing about Veela. They are magical beings, so I find it plausible that part of their magic would be to be more beautiful than any normal woman could ever hope to be -- including Metamorphmagi. But maybe that's just me.
     
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    Superhuman beauty doesn't necessarily imply non-physical beauty though. It merely means, in my view, that they are physically perfect. In fact, since beauty is concerned precisely with the physical, the idea of a non-physical beauty doesn't really make sense.

    What I'm saying is that Veela's are indeed superhumanly beautiful, but that this beauty is a physical thing, and thus can be replicated by a metamorphmagus.

    Their magic (Veela's, that is), I'd say, is related to turning their beauty into some sort of sexual force, but it doesn't actually concern itself with the beauty of the Veela, merely peoples' perception of that beauty.
     
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    *shrugs* You may be right, Taure. I just like the idea -- that in contrast to what you said, their beauty is not only phsyical, but magical; and since the Metamorphmagi lack the magical part, they could emulate a Veela, but never actually compare.

    Whether a non-physical beauty resp. a 'magical beauty' makes sense -- well, there's always the killer argument; it's magic, so of course it doesn't make sense.

    I guess it wouldn’t make sense in the real world. But isn't that a typical imagination-thing? Elves are typically more beautiful than any human ever could be. Goddesses as well. That doesn't really make sense either, because if you define beauty as perfection (which maybe is debatable), there's a) nothing more perfect than 'perfection', and b) no reason why there couldn't be a human who has those 'perfect' looks; and so equal elf or goddess.

    Did that make sense? If not, it's magic :p
     
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    Knock it off guys...

    Just leave this thread to die.
     
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    There is also a Caturday-Thread. Posting random pics after a discussion is fine. Posting random pics into a discussion is stupid shit. Some of us are trying to have a debate, even if that thought may seem strange to you.

    And we never discussed this specific ability of Veelas, and especially not how they would compare against Metamorphmagi.



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  18. Poytin

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    What I'm really wondering is if Veela's power show a physically perfect being... what would happen if a guy who liked fat chicks saw them?
     
  19. Samuel Black

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    You misunderstand what they were saying. Sesc was saying that while Veela's are beautiful, their magic enhances it. It glows, you could say.

    Sesc wasn't saying that their magic reaches out, finds what we think would be most beautiful, and then make us see it. No, he was saying that their magic just enhances their beauty.

    Personally, I'm going to agree with Sesc here. I haven't read the books in a while, so I could be wrong on this. Don't they mention how the Veela have an unearthly beauty? If so, their magic may be creating a sort of aura of beauty/attraction/whatever around them.

    I vaguely remember something about their skin shining with a glow, and hair moving without wind. If that's the case, that sounds like their magic is enhancing their beauty to me. I'm not sure on those lines, though, I'm almost positive that I read them when Harry first saw the Veela. It's been a while since I read GoF.
     
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    Glowing skin is attractive now? If I saw that, I'd think it was just freaky.

    And Poytin's point was that everyone has a different idea of what beauty is, and thus if a Veela had magic that made her more beautiful then it would have to adjust her features for each different person. His question was then "what would a person who considers fat people beautiful see?"
     
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