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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Harpy Prince, May 15, 2006.

  1. Harpy Prince

    Harpy Prince Seventh Year

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    I found this on a yahoo group and I assume the guy wants to post NC-17 fics on FF.net. I agree with this guy even if his grammar somewhat dissuades me from acknowledging I have anything to do with him, he is right none the less. FF.net should allow NC-17 fics with warning's like the restricted section had.

    Here's to you HolyKnight, Cheers!
     
  2. Master Slytherin

    Master Slytherin Headmaster

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    Meh, it's nothing we didn't already know. Seems like a not-so-cleverly disguised chain letter, or a stunt to get more people to read his fics.

    /cynicism
     
  3. Element

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    I really can't support this boycott. Perhaps I'm just being pessimistic, but no matter how many authors boycott this, FF.net won't give a damn. Its their site, they can do what they want with it. There is always going to be the steady rush of new romance authors badly writing H/G pairings, or the such. I'm all for finding an alternative site on which to post on (which is why I'm eagerly awaiting PatronusCharm) but boycotting...nah.
     
  4. Rahkesh Asmodaeus

    Rahkesh Asmodaeus THUNDAH Bawd Admin DLP Supporter

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    ...FFnet did have NC-17 stories before. That was about 3 or 4 years ago, when I first started reading fanfiction. Those were the days when the FFnet admins weren't complete bastards. When you clicked on a link to a NC-17 story, a popup would come up, asking you if you were above 17. If you said yes, they would let you pass, if not, they would just direct you back to the main page. Apparently many parents complained about this lax method of filtering out children, that's why they just got rid of the whole option. Complete bullshit in my opinion, the parents are just too fucking lazy to keep an eye on their children.
     
  5. Harpy Prince

    Harpy Prince Seventh Year

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    I think FF.net has the best ship filters of all the fanfiction sites I've seen. Which is why if it allowed NC-17 fics it would be one if not the greatest fanfic site out there.

    To what Element said, it may be their site but if a mad boycott did happen I think FF.net would consider our demands. Sure it's their site, but they put it up for people to use and visit, if no one goes then their site is pretty much pointless, just an archive of Harry/Ginny fanfics because that seems to be the only ones they don't delete, and they could possibly lose money if no one visits the links if that's how they pay for their server.

    I don't know it probably is pointless, but the day a fanfic site comes up with the exact same ship filters as FF.net, that's the day I was my hands of it.
     
  6. Element

    Element Seventh Year

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    I think you're doing what I tend to do; fall into the trend of thinking that fanfiction.net is Harry Potter fandom only.
    Its not so much I believe a boycott wouldn't have an effect, its just that I don't believe it would be big enough. The majority of Harry Potter fandom writers wouldn't boycott it, because they aren't affected by it: slash and H/G writers do make up the majority. (uhh..right?)

    But FF.net Admins wouldn't create an NC17 category just because a bunch of Harry Potter fanfiction writers are boycotting it, they've still got hundreds of other thriving fandoms writing stories like there's no tommorow. I just think that its pointless.
     
  7. Harpy Prince

    Harpy Prince Seventh Year

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    Yeah, you're right. On both points.
     
  8. Cervus

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    Lets look at this logically. FF.Net has, as of this moment, 246519 Harry Potter fics achieved on their server.

    Meanwhile:

    HarryPotterFanfiction.com = 26891 fics
    FictionAlleyPark = at the most 50000 fics
    SycophantHex = 4029 fics
    Mugglenet = 4250 fics
    PhoenixSong = 891 fics
    WizardTales = 1027 fics
    TimeTurner = 207 fics
    Tauri = 643 fics
    HP CommonRoom = 64

    Total = 88002

    I've listed 9 different HP achieves above and the total amount of fics for all of them added together is still 158517 fics less than fanfiction.net.

    People are not going to stop going to fanfiction.net. Some good stories can only be read from that site. It just ain't going to happen. Granted, I've only used sites where I can find the statistics (with the exception of FictionalleyPark who in total have just over 10000 authors, I think my 50000 estimate is on the generous side) and some of them are not big sites.

    I don't think, given the sheer amount of fics that FF.net hosts, people would be willing boycott in their masses.
     
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  9. Master Slytherin

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    Very true. Also, what do authors want the most? response to their work. There is no other site (I believe) that can generate the same response as ff.net to a new fic.
     
  10. Harpy Prince

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    A damn shame really. Why must neglectful parents always ruin things...
     
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  11. Myst

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    Not to be on the negative side but er... you realize parents cant monitor everything a child does on a computer right?
     
  12. Yarrgh!

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    The only thing FFNet needs is a slash filter.

    I'm sick and ired of finding slash when i don't want any. I go look for HP/NT ships, and i end up with Harry being an abused little shit, with Tonks popping in from time to time to "cheer him up". Of course, the entire Dursley household takes their liberties with him, and so does the rest of the United fucking Kingdom.

    If they just put in a slash filter, and forced uthors to clearly mark whether their fics contain slash or not...i would be pleased.

    I don't give a shit about NC-17 stuff...FFNet is popular, so they can't afford to get slammed with a lawsuit for allowing kids to read that shit. I go to FicWad or RestrictedSection if i want to read NC-17 stuff...and that's where (FicWad) i post the chapters of Incubus. Sure, i don't get that many reviews since there aren't that many people that go there...whatever.

    FFNet is where most authors post their stories, and i'm prepared to NOT find NC-17 material there if it means that good authors can post their stories there. If it gets shut down, things will fck up.

    Everyone will start migrating, and because the other sites are small, their servers will crash when some 200,000 people create accounts there and start posting their chapters.

    It's all good now, except for the slash. MAKE A FILTER, DAMMIT!!!
     
  13. Rain

    Rain Pirate Navigator of the 7 Seas

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    *points above* I agree.

    And who says they aren't deleting HP/GW and slash stories? In my opinion, there are just too damn many of the same thing it doesn't make a difference whether they do or not.

    If FF.net got a slash filter, or atleast one where we can filter out the pairings we don't want to see, I won't have a problem with it.
     
  14. Rahkesh Asmodaeus

    Rahkesh Asmodaeus THUNDAH Bawd Admin DLP Supporter

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    That is what I want most. I always search for stories above a certain length (60,000 words) to get rid of the truly horrible stories. But then 3/4 of those stories are slash...and then I can't filter that out. So I have to go through at least 5 pages before I find a story that I might be able to read...
     
  15. Harpy Prince

    Harpy Prince Seventh Year

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    If your doing a search add slash and yaoi as terms to ignore. It doesn't get rid of them all but it does take out all the ones that actually have slash and yaoi in the summary.
     
  16. Rain

    Rain Pirate Navigator of the 7 Seas

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    Yeah, but its the ones that don't put it in the summary that are really bothersome. Still, I had overlooked that option. :) Thank you.
     
  17. LINKed up

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    "Many of the people that go to FF.Net, myself included, read Harry Potter fanfics, and dislike reading slash, or male/male, fics. I also read Naruto, and there is a huge abundance of slash, aka yoai, in that section as well. What I want to request of you is if you could make a new filter to block those stories so me and people like me won't have to sift through all of those stories. At the very least, you could make it manditory that the author put a slash/yoai/shonen-ai warning in their summaries, because I for one do not like to start reading a story, only to have it ruined by the fact that it is a slashfic."

    That is what I am planning to send to the admins. Is it good?
     
  18. Lady Almaren

    Lady Almaren Seventh Year

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    I like that idea LINKed. I was thinking about sending a letter myself. The amount of slash fiction on the website is astounding. A lot of people really don't want to read it. Even if you try to search for a het couple you still get a lot of slash. I think they should make a whole different section for it. Just like in LOTR where they break it off into alternate, book, or movie sections they should do the same for slash, het, and general. I think if we all send letters they might do something about it.
     
  19. Myst

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    It wouldnt surprise me, even though they are Nazi Admins, to have had that idea planned sometime in the future.

    But yea send away, I agree with LINKed there.
     
  20. Litha Riddle

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    I agree that there is too much of all pairings in my opinion. I'm not a big fan of sloppy love stories. I prefer drama and mystery in a story but end with wading through tons of soppy mush to get a decent story.
    If FF had a filter to ignore the ships you hate or no ships that would be cool.

    About the abundance of slash and lack of NC-17, I think it's because the stories were starting to be glorified porn and showed a lack of taste. Alot of the stories that used to be on the adult site just had sex scenes described in too much detail and no gory horror at all.
    I can also see that Harry Potter is normally classed as a childrens book and the sad fact is there are more peadophiles using the net. The thing with the lazy parents is also valid although my mum refused to let us use the pc without her there. Also if the parents are so dmn worried then they should take the computers from there kids if they are that worried and leave us be.
    That's all I can think of to add,
    Litha Riddle:mid5
     
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