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Voldemort and Blood Status

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Wynter, Feb 21, 2015.

  1. Wynter

    Wynter Order Member

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    I think Voldemorts lack of recruiting stems from the lack of quality of the muggleborn witches/wizards from Harry's generation. What I mean by that is Lily was considered a spectacular witch who frequently upstaged the Purebloods of her year during Hogwarts, everyone who spoke of her talked about how talented she was.

    The only muggleborn witch who is similar, that we know of in Canon was Hermione and given her connection to Harry, the thought of Voldemort offering her a position is highly unlikely. This is a girl who indirectly contributed to denying him rebirth twice. I'd mark her for death if I was a Dark Lord for certain.
     
  2. esran

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    Try again, I said not made up.
    We do not know for sure he hated muggleborns any more than he hated any other group. We only know he claimed to to gain support of the pureblood extremist faction.
    (Note how he also claimed to hate "half-breeds" but was perfectly fine allying with werewolves, vampires, and every other faction willing to serve him.)
     
  3. potterheadcharles

    potterheadcharles Third Year

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    Voldemort thinks of himself as an all powerful lord and any other as mere insects. He supported pureblood fanatics to give himself a boost as far as money and politics are concerned from the start. Once he puts the dark mark on someone, that particular worm is done for life.

    He is a killer, plain and simple. He will kill anyone who opposes him and save anyone he might need in his quests. Doesn't matter if it is a muggleborn or a cockroach.

    Lily was a particularly gifted witch and James was a pureblood with money and power. They were both together and he was getting one free with the other. It makes sense that he would want the whole pair.
     
  4. crimson sun06

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    That is a bit of a speculation and while it might be valid it contradicts everything we know about Voldemort. One of the main features of his character was his hatred of muggleborns. Was Lily talented enough to warrant his desire to have her in his ranks.... probably...... but I believe the likelier explanation is Snape convincing him to spare her. He decides if I have to spare a muggleborn and a talented one at that why not have her work for me?

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    Oh he hated muggleborns. That is an irrefutable fact. You might have a point though. But the thing is half-breeds have no acceptance in the society. He knows all he needs to do to get them on his side is give them a little more than what they have under the current regime. That's not the case with muggleborns who he believers are encroaching into places which are the purebloods' birthright.
     
  5. Wynter

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    But that's the thing JK stated that he came for them right out of highschool, Harry hadn't been born and the prophecy had yet to be made. Snape hadn't begged for Lily's life yet, yet JK states he had already offered her a place in his ranks.
     
  6. crimson sun06

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    But Snape had always been in love with Lily.
    Is it really so inconceivable that he pleaded for his mercy when he had joined Voldemort which was during their school years.
     
  7. Wynter

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    Snape and Lily fell out after he called her a mudblood and my understanding of Canon was that he didn't know Lily had a child then or would have been close to having one when the prophecy was made. It was only when Voldemort announced he was going to kill the Potters that Snape went to Dumbledore and begged for Lily's life and also begged Voldemort not to kill her.

    That's always been my understanding of the books and Snape's then transition towards being Dumbledore's right hand man/greatest asset.
     
  8. Corvus Black

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    Voldemort would not have spared Lily because a newly recruited Snape - who is a half-blood with no wealth and no helpful political connections (save Lucius who was already a death eater) - asked him to. I believe he attempted tp spare Lily because Snape had brought the prophecy to his attention, therefore he was now worthy of making such a request.
     
  9. crimson sun06

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    Just because they had a falling out doesn't mean he fell out of love with her. Quite the contrary actually.

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    Like I said. Its all speculation. It still makes more sense than him trying to recruit the muggleborns he hates so much. And FYI he didn't actually spare Lily did he?
     
  10. Corvus Black

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    Risen speculated that a newly recruited Snape asked Voldemort to spare Lily at that time, the attack on the Potters in 1981 was a few years later and he did try to spare her.
     
  11. crimson sun06

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    She just stood in his way without so much as a needle to hold him at bay let alone a wand. Yeaahhh...... he must've tried real hard indeed.
     
  12. Corvus Black

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    He told her to move aside at least twice, for Voldemort that is trying.
     
  13. crimson sun06

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    Hahaha good one.


    You're serious aren't you? Guess a stunner would have been too much trouble.
     
  14. Corvus Black

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    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

    Voldemort trying to spare her is canon. As you say, she was defenceless, she didn't even have her wand, the fact that Voldemort told her numerous times to stand aside should speak volumes.
     
  15. esran

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    Voldemort gave a token effort to spare her. He wasn't willing to not kill people inconveniencing him, but Voldemort would have considered it a gracious kindness to offer to spare her at all, even if she never would have accepted.
    (Its worth noting Voldemort likely did not understand why she wouldn't accept, and may have come to the conclusion she did so merely to spit him. He didn't comprehend love, and expected Lily to act on self preservation once given half a chance.)
     
  16. Corvus Black

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    I'm also gonna add that Voldemort slaughtered James - the pure-blood - almost immediately, no chances to stand aside for him. Yet Lily - the muggle-born - was offered numerous chances to stand aside. If you can't tell the difference, crimson sun06, then that's your issue.
     
  17. NuScorpii

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    If anything Corvus Black understated it. Voldemort giving her even a single chance to step aside means a lot when you look at his character in canon. To expect him to cast a stunner when she didn't take the chance is ridiculous.
     
  18. crimson sun06

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    What I'm saying is that trying to spare her life would've involved as little as stunning her. Just because he said he would spare them meant nothing. I believe he'd have killed her anyway just on principle. But it depends on how you look at it. You say he tried to spare her...
    .... I'll disagree 'cause he didn't actually spare her when he easily could've. And that my friend......... Is canon.
     
  19. Corvus Black

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    That, my friend, is stubborn and petty.
     
  20. esran

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    stop using .....s. It doesn't make you seem smart or dramatic or whatever.
    or at least limit yourself to 3 .s per ... as is standard.
    And your incredibly misinformed opinion on an event is not canon. It is canon that he tried to spare Lily. It is canon that there were numerous far better ways he could have tried to spare her, but that is irrelevant. That he gave her a chance to be spared at all is far more than he did for his other victims.
     
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