Keep in mind the one thing worse than muggleborns in his book are blood traitors. Are you surprised he never gave James a chance.

 

That's harsh man.

 

It's the truth, man. Just accept that he tried to spare her, it's in the books and your opinion is just that, your opinion.

 

Like I said its just an opinion and speculation. His word means next to nothing and I don't believe that he'd have spared her even if she had moved aside

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Let's agree to disagree. But hope we can reach a consensus on what is canon. A few posts back it was actually said that Voldemort didn't hate muggleborns.

 

Actually, going back a few posts you said "he didn't actually spare her when he easily could've", well lets apply that logic to the elder wand, he easily could've spared Snape's life by just stunning him to win the wand's allegiance, but he didn't, he chose to kill him. Two different, yet similar, situations, now tell me that you don't think he tried to spare Lily.

 

Are you trying to derail the thread? He killed Snape because he genuinely believed killing him was the only way to win the wand's allegiance.
Let that be the end of that.

 

No, it was an example of how Voldemort reacted in another, similar situation. The fact that Voldemort believed it to be the 'only' way is just another of Voldemort's many contradictions in character. He's supposedly meant to be this 'genius', yet he has failed several times to do the proper research before taking action.

 

The situations aren't similar. First off he gained nothing by killing Lily except maybe the satisfaction he derived from killing a person. Killing Snape gave him mastery over the unbeatable wand.
Completely different situations man.

 

Not at all. What he gained by getting past Lily was access to Harry, his target. What he gained by defeating Snape is the elder wand's allegiance, his target. Both are instances of him wanting something, so in that way they are similar. I used this example so that we can see that Voldemort clearly didn't make any effort to spare Snape - which, if he had done his research he would have known he could have and would have been useful to him as Snape was a valuable tool - and which makes even clearer his intent to spare Lily.

 

He did his research. All known owners of elder wand had killed their predecessors. And even if he'd known otherwise he'd probably have killed Snape anyway just to be sure.
Which reinforces my point that Voldemort would have never spared Lily even if he was 'trying' to spare her.

 

Not true, Gellert Grindelwald - the most powerful dark wizard before Voldemort and the man responsible for starting a global wizarding war- only stunned Gregorovitch.

 

My point still stands. He'd have killed Snape anyway just to be sure. But coming back to the original point we were discussing before I was called petty and stubborn after I had moderated my initial stand of Voldemort not recruiting muggleborns at all to he may have wanted Lily (a stand I'm still sceptical of btw). The only way it works is if Snape vouched for her.

 

What do you mean "the only way it works is if Snape vouched for her"? That's canon as well, that he asked Voldemort to spare her, besides wasn't that my point? What are you actually arguing?

 

You've forgotten what we were talking about? I was arguing that Voldemort wouldn't want muggleborns as his minions and that I find the notion of him offering Lily a place as a Death Eater a little too far-fetched.

 

No, your post just initially confused me as you mentioned two separate points. Also, I came in after that and we started discussing your opinion that Voldemort didn't try to spare Lily.

 

No, it specifically doesn't work that way. At that time they were in school, and Snape couldn't have proven himself to Voldemort yet. Why would Snape's vouching mean anything to him?

 

I did mention that earlier but I think crimson sun06 and I got side-tracked.

 

I'm not saying the theory doesn't have holes. I'm just saying it is more plausible than most.

 

As I said earlier, once Snape brought the prophecy to Voldemort then he could start making requests that would be listened to.

 

We've been through this once we're not going through it again Corvus. You're assuming giving Voldemort the prophecy was the only service he provided him. But he may have proved himself well before that. He may have gained enough favour to have his attention before he even told him of the prophecy.