Not sure if someone already pointed this out but the stark house you described here is in los angeles not new york, that would have been a very long bus ride.

 

This. Because of the formula and the shield Captain America is one of the strongest heroes in the Marvel Verse. He's seriously under played in the movies with how they show him. He has beaten every single Avenger in the movie in the comics a few times. The only time Iron Man could beat him was in the Marvel civil war where Cap was held back before he could kill him and made to realize what the fighting between his forces and the government had caused. Also the movie verse is closer to the Ultimate Universe than the mainstream marvel one. There Cap is even stronger than he is in the regular universe. He beat Giant Mans 60 ft form to the ground, after he found out he had been beating his wife.

 

For some reason as I was rereading this thread, this comment made me think of Harry conjuring a Wac-A-Mole game and playing with the Hulk. This thought process of mine is continuously getting more absurd. Hulk smash puny moles.

At any rate, the update rate of this story spoils me entirely too much.

 

Question: If the shield absorbs forces acting on it, how does it get moved?

Answer: Magic.

Therefore, the shield is as resistant to magic as wet tissue paper.

 

Caps shield is made of the fictional metal Vibranium, which absorbs incoming kinetic and vibrational energies and stores them within its own ionic bonds. So Cap can block a punch from the Hulk or a swing of Thor's hammer using just his shield. However, ripping the shield off his arm, or his arm off his torso, is fully possible with enough force.

 

I refuse to believe you posted this. "It blocks lots of force, however, it doesn't block lots of force." I mean, wut?

 

Dude, go to your bedroom door, close it. Then punch it. Did it move?

If it didnt then how can you open and close it in the first place?

When you look at the hypothetical situation sideway, the two scenario look similar.

Its not about destroying the shield but moving it away from your path.

*Excuse my poor grammar I am on my phone and the spell check fonction seem to not want to load.*

 

I'm not sure where you came to the conclusion of magic from. Just because something can absorb a lot of force that comes in from one direction it doesn't mean that it is designed to absorb force from every direction.

Furthermore, the people who can move the shield within the comic book series don't have or use magic.

 

Because grabbing and pulling the shield away is not the same as punching/kicking/shooting it. Your energy isn't being directed in the same way.

 

I must be outrageously unintelligent, because every post trying to explain this make me more confused.

No, but I think it would if I smashed it with an axe. Ps I didn't really punch it

Thats the point! I can exert force against it and move it.

So what you're saying is that a sufficient application of force can indeed move the shield? So the Hulk hitting it or Thor hammering it would maybe not damage the shield, but would transfer momentum to it, thereby turning its bearing into a red stain on the floor?

The above two quotes are making me think that you can only push the shield forward, not backwards (somehow this makes sense?). So, Captain America can only move forward? To move backwards he has to do a kind of circle-strafe? How does any of this make any sense at all?

 

As far as whether or not Cap's shield is resistant to magic, I think it could go either way and it really all comes down to if the author wants it to be or not. For the purpose of this story, I think it should, but it doesn't matter too much. After all, Harry's enemies are not going to be the Avengers and are therefore not the ones he is going to be primarily fighting (or at least this is what I assume will be the case). All this talk about who is stronger than who seems rather pointless. I would be more interested in talk on how Harry would deal with the villains of the Avengers movie-verse and not its Heroes.

One thing I am curious about is who will be Harry's enemies in this story? It seems the author doesn't plan to have Harry interfere too much with each hero's tribulations, so I am left to wonder who does that leave Harry left to fight? Will the author create original villains that Harry will have to sporadically go up against until the timeline catches up to the Avengers movie? Will the author use cannon villains pulled from the marvel comics that have yet to be used in the movie-verse? Or will Harry simply have to deal different organizations of normal humans with their tech weapons. Whatever the case may be, I look forward to finding out.

 

Yeah....you ever thought that this has something to do with what/where Capt. AMERICA represents, and just who writes the stories?
Face it, without plot-armour, Captain America is basically only useful against Nazis and Normals.

 

Isn't that the point though? You can exert force on the shield as well, but depending on how you exert that force the shield behaves differently.

If you don't understand that concept just settle for it is comic book logic. They play fast and loose with science all the time. If you are going to take issue with this than you might as well complain about the hulk while you are at it.

@PotterFan: Did you miss the part where Captain America is a super soldier with enhanced strength, is very difficult to kill even when he doesn't have the shield, is an expert marksmen, and has shield that can withstand a full powered hit from Thor's hammer?

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America#Powers_and_abilities

 

@Nefar - .... :facepalm OK, this has gone on long enough. There is no way you are this retarded. You're have to be trolling....but, on the off chance that you aren't, let me dumb it down for you with an analogy.

You have a brick that you want to move. Which way is easier: picking it up and moving it, or shattering it with your fists?

And yes, these bricks also absorb kinetic energy and store them.

 

Read it. He still sucks.

 

The whole discussion is irrelevant up to a point. Spells don't go through solid objects.

You could say that if a spell hits an object, it is cast on it. Imperio won't do anything. Expelliarmus might. Offensive spells may use a concussive force to deal damage. That would be reflected. They may create fire. The shield wouldn't burn, but it'd grow hot, I think.

But for the most part, he could use it to block spells.

 

He sucks ASS.

 

So because he doesn't have abilities he sucks? It's not plot armor that makes him a relevant hero it's the fact that he is able to kick ass. He has super strength, enhanced reflexes, and enhanced endurance. He beats them because he is smarter than them and knows how to fight much better than most other heroes and villains. He doesn't need to shoot lasers or go onto a rage to be super strong. He has an invicible shield that deflects all of that and the ability to whoop everyone's ass.

Also saying Cap sucks because he doesn't have flashy super powers is like saying Batman sucks. And Batman is the shit.

 

I think the more pertinent question is why we're assuming that comics are at all internally consistent?

All in all, though, I think it's really up to the author to determine how Captain America functions within the fic, and given the wealth of potential abilities and justifications and whatever he's inevitably stored up over the years, I'm sure whatever decision he goes with is somehow justified.

Obviously I'm not too much of a comic nerd.

Since this is my first post, and I want to make it somewhat decent, I'll just say that I've enjoyed reading the fic so far, and while I wouldn't rate it 5/5, it's certainly good, and far beyond the mindless insanity that is the norm among fanfiction; Harry Potter or otherwise. There's a number of issues that I dislike, probably the main one being SHIELD, and how they're portrayed. I know the issue has been raised before, so I don't need to raise it again, but an increase in professionalism would do much to increase any immersion. All and all, though, it's a good start, and I have the sense this could turn into something legitimately great. A solid 4.5/5 from me, rounded to a four only because it's not amazing yet, but with a good chance to go higher later.

 

Really? My super helpful graphic didn't solve this?

Listen, applying straight force to the shield doesn't work. It shoots the same amount of energy straight back out to neutralize it, letting the Captain tank huge hits.

Let's try he picture again.

Force applied directly to the shield yields equal and opposite force. I.e. attack=><=(( where the attack represents the attack, the arrows represent the movement of kinetic energy, and the (( represent the shield.

So say you can't apply any kind of effective force to the shield because it will cancel out all your efforts. I guess my opponent is unbeatable, right? Well, first of all, we assume you can hold the shield. After all, Captain does it, and he's 100% human, just the best you can be. Okay, so if you can hold it, it can be manipulated, for example by twisting and turning, which is how you tend to disarm somebody. The way to disarm the Captain is to grab the shield, then manipulate it so that he can not longer hold it.

This is not a brute force method, but one of finesse. For a real life example of this dynamic (using the correct application of force to to force a person to let go of an object) get a metal rod and grip it in your hand, so that your fingers create a 90 degree angle with the rod. A better way to describe this is by making a fist, then sliding the rod between the pads of your fingers and the pad of your hand.

Now, take the end of the rod and rotate it on a horizontal axis, until the point where your wrist will no longer rotate. Now imagine if you tried to rotate it farther, one of two things will happen (except in cases of incredible power) either the rod breaks -your ability to resist the force was greater than the rods ability to remain in its current shape- or you let go of the rod -your joints are not strong enough to resist the force applied, and the bar slips out of your grasp- and now you are disarmed. The third option that i thought of would be that the rod simply goes through your fingers, by the way.

The same concept applies with the shield, but instead of having the option of the material breaking, there are only two options, your joints give out and you let go, or the force applied allows the object to move through your finger. Now since this is w comic, number 2 never happens, so the Captain just let's go.

Keep in mind this isn't high level science, so some explanations are there to look pretty, not satisfy an intellectual news. Basically, the shield resists kinetic impact, but not momentum. Rule of Cool applies, but in realistic terms the shield let's the Captain tank blows because he has a really steady stance, and the shield itself counters the energy of the blow.

Of course, this is going on what I've seen in movies, but since that is the universe this is set in, that mOds sense. Captain gets blown back by a number of really powerful blows, but gets up unharmed because the shield kills everything but the momentum, and the man is a genius at "rolling with the punches"

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Really? My super helpful graphic didn't solve this?

Listen, applying straight force to the shield doesn't work. It shoots the same amount of energy straight back out to neutralize it, letting the Captain tank huge hits.

Let's try he picture again.

Force applied directly to the shield yields equal and opposite force. I.e. attack=><=(( where the attack represents the attack, the arrows represent the movement of kinetic energy, and the (( represent the shield.

So say you can't apply any kind of effective force to the shield because it will cancel out all your efforts. I guess my opponent is unbeatable, right? Well, first of all, we assume you can hold the shield. After all, Captain does it, and he's 100% human, just the best you can be. Okay, so if you can hold it, it can be manipulated, for example by twisting and turning, which is how you tend to disarm somebody. The way to disarm the Captain is to grab the shield, then manipulate it so that he can not longer hold it.

This is not a brute force method, but one of finesse. For a real life example of this dynamic (using the correct application of force to to force a person to let go of an object) get a metal rod and grip it in your hand, so that your fingers create a 90 degree angle with the rod. A better way to describe this is by making a fist, then sliding the rod between the pads of your fingers and the pad of your hand.

Now, take the end of the rod and rotate it on a horizontal axis, until the point where your wrist will no longer rotate. Now imagine if you tried to rotate it farther, one of two things will happen (except in cases of incredible power) either the rod breaks -your ability to resist the force was greater than the rods ability to remain in its current shape- or you let go of the rod -your joints are not strong enough to resist the force applied, and the bar slips out of your grasp- and now you are disarmed. The third option that i thought of would be that the rod simply goes through your fingers, by the way.

The same concept applies with the shield, but instead of having the option of the material breaking, there are only two options, your joints give out and you let go, or the force applied allows the object to move through your finger. Now since this is w comic, number 2 never happens, so the Captain just let's go.

Keep in mind this isn't high level science, so some explanations are there to look pretty, not satisfy an intellectual news. Basically, the shield resists kinetic impact, but not momentum. Rule of Cool applies, but in realistic terms the shield let's the Captain tank blows because he has a really steady stance, and the shield itself counters the energy of the blow.

Of course, this is going on what I've seen in movies, but since that is the universe this is set in, that mOds sense. Captain gets blown back by a number of really powerful blows, but gets up unharmed because the shield kills everything but the momentum, and the man is a genius at "rolling with the punches"