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WIP Wand and Shield by Roarian/Morta's Priest - T

Discussion in 'The Alternates' started by Roarian, Jun 4, 2012.

  1. TripticWriter

    TripticWriter Groundskeeper

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    I must say that the chapter felt very confusing. I don't really get what you are trying to do with all the introspective/mind searching/dream walking/psycho analysis stuffs (and I mean bullshits). I am pretty sure that I didn't get it because I was more skimming than reading but I really felt that this came out of nowhere, and it certainly wasn't what I was looking for.

    Anyway, I hope that the next chapter offers more characters interaction than introspection.
     
  2. Fenraellis

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    Then suddenly, a Gyarados! :p

    Anyway, the Loki!Voldemort portion was an interesting development. Unfortunate for him later when he learns that sometimes you shouldn't follow the common villain mistake of letting(helping) the hero get back onto his feet for a greater challenge.

    As for the vanishing charm, I was under the impression that the gamma radiation that's the cause of the Hulk, was what was giving him his minor sort of magical resistance. Maybe it's just enhanced durability that's allowing a resistance to more physical spells though, and not any real resistance to magic itself. Anyway, if the former was true, then I imagine that one couldn't simply cast the vanishing charm on the gamma reactors without something going wrong when it doesn't work exactly as expected.
     
  3. Roarian

    Roarian High Inquisitor

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    Can't tell what exactly you were expecting after last time... I mean, the Pensieve was right there in the last chapter. :p

    In any case, this chapter had interactions with harry, sif, tony, fury, pepper... I mean, maybe you meant more in the punching-each-other fashion, but there's only two scenes which deal with the memories, and one of those is character interaction too. X_X

    Don't worry though, given the whole bombs thing, I think you can tell that we're heading back towards a big ol' brawl soon enough which will have mostly a lot of bashing heads instead of this. ;)

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    Well, we're not dealing with Nasty McEvil Loki here, since he doesn't know about his parentage and such which ultimately turned him against Asgard. Loki was a pretty decent guy for the longest time (if a mischievous bastard who really didn't care much about the little guy in his schemes) - now, that doesn't mean Loki's not an enemy, but it does mean that he's far more the puppeteer from the shadows than the rather overtly har-evil-har version that he became in Avengers.

    Some people still didn't pick up on the Loki connection, I imagine they don't know the canon much so the blatant hints don't really hit their mark. One of my reviewers seems convinced that it was actually Voldemort and lambasted me for including another HP canon character.

    The Hulk has a pretty omni-resistance thing going on, with different writers suggesting different things. Now, I haven't made this Hulk immune but I figured that with its unique nature, resistance wasn't too weird. A comparison to a giant is made, which can take a bunch of hits too. The Hulk's pretty well-known for thundering through practically anything, so having him knocked out by even the simplest spells comes off as very lame. There was a huge discussion over this actually. :p

    If Harry can get to the nukes then sure, vanishing should be able to take care of at least some of the important stuff in the bomb so it can't detonate anymore; I'm not sure if vanishing is ever given a limit in canon, but these things would be pretty large, which might make it problematic. (I'm not sure if partial vanishing would work - would it just be a whole object or nothing? That seems magical 'logic' to me :p)
     
  4. TripticWriter

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    No I am not talking about action, I don't really care for battle either.

    And yes you are right, there was some characters interaction but the core of this chapter was the pensieve scene. It was fine up to the last chapter, but I don't really get why Harry decide to go back in it. Well to be fair, I got it but I don't like it. But you shouldn't worry about my opinion for this really, I am just being stubborn since I don't like all this mind business.

    I am going to treat this as a filler, and hope it doesn't take too long to pass to something more to my taste.
     
  5. Amoral Philosopher

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    As far as I am aware, there is no real hard limit on what can be vanished, aside from creatures and objects that have an innate magical resistance. The vanishing spell works on both objects and living creatures. While I believe that it is cannon that the difficulty of the spell depends on the complexity of what is being vanished, I think it can be argued that any kind of object falls short in complexity compared to a living creature. When learning the spell, I thought I remember reading that students are taught first with snails, then mice, then kittens, and so forth in increasing difficulty. It is theoretically possible to vanish an actual human being, though not quite as possible in a practical sense.

    Edit: Also, just out of curiosity, how large are we talkin about for these bombs? Like the size of an ICBM?
     
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  6. Deplore

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    After reading the last chapter... I'm confused.

    Why would Sif change Harry's pant? Did he shit himself or what?
     
  7. Sauce Bauss

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    There are a few people who change clothes on a daily basis for some strange reason. :rolleyes:
     
  8. Deplore

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    I think you missed my point.

    My point is, why would Sif, an alien, change Harry's pants and underwear while he's passed out?

    Hypothesis #1: He shat his pant.
    Hypothesis #2: She wants to see his dick.
    Hypothesis #3: She changes his pants just to be polite.
    Hypothesis #4: She's OCD and can't abide uncleanliness.

    You see what I mean?
     
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    No, I think you're just retarded.
     
  10. Ched

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    No one missed your point dude. My reading of it:

    She changed his pants for him because people change their clothes every day. Harry was passed out so he couldn't do it himself, and she was there to help him after all. Plus, since he'd brought a change of clothes Sif assumed that he had meant to change into them.

    Sif just... didn't think anything about it. In her mind it probably wasn't that much different from covering him with a blanket or something when it got cold. If he'd been awake he'd have gotten a blanket for himself, and he had brought a blanket and it was cold, so it's normal for her to put it over him.

    Granted I may have read it wrong, but that's what I got. And it was cool -- because cultures that see things like that differently make for interesting/fun reading.
     
  11. Deplore

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    Elli: Oh, that's real mature.

    Cheddar: Okay, that seems a bit more reasonable.

    However, the reason why I find it so odd is because in my culture, you are responsible for your own cleanliness. Not your mom, not your servant, you. So it reflects badly on you if you have someone else do what you should've done in the first place. So if I were living with my parents and walked out wearing dirty clothes, the fault would lie with me, not my parents.

    I understand that Sif was trying to be nice doing that, given that Harry is unconscious and all... but why? That's not her responsibility. He could've changed his clothes the moment he woke up.

    And before you guys think I'm making a huge deal over the little thing, I'm not. I don' think this is important enough to kick up a ruckus, but I'm genuinely confused.
     
  12. Roarian

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    Big enough to bomb major cities from Chile, so yes, ICBM's basically. Also, now I wonder what vanishing actually -does- since if you vanish someone, do they just die? Because that's pretty freaky. :p

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    Indeed. Asgardian culture, such as it is, tends to a bit weird. On the one hand, way more ancient-times-like with a sort of king, a court etc; on the other hand, they're very progressive about various things, very advanced technologically, and don't give a crap about a lot of issues that humans do see as problematic.

    I didn't envision Sif as doing this for a particularly weird reason - just cultural dissonance. I think Tony would've been amused in Harry's place. In any case, X2, she didn't have any of the bizarre reasons you listed. In the end, of course, it was intended as a funny little aside after a chapter that didn't have too much to laugh about.
     
  13. Roarian

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    It's not finished yet, but I figured I could toss what I have up here right now. So yeah, read at your own risk. <_<

    Chapter 20
     
  14. Mock Moniker

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    Why is it here rather than WBA?
     
  15. Amoral Philosopher

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    Because, like Roarian said, it is not done yet. He posts the finished product in WBA. Since this is the thread where readers can posts comments on the story, it would be a good place for readers to point out any corrections that should be made concerning spelling, grammar, word choice, etc.
     
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    *rubs head* Actually I agree that WbA is a more likely place to put this.
     
  17. Amoral Philosopher

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    Chapter 18
    Chapter 20
    In chapter 18 you have Tony telling Rhodey that the Magician's identity is not his secret to share, but then in chapter 20 you have him freely telling Rhodey Harry's secret identity as an off-hand comment. Tony was also kind easy going telling Pepper Harry's secret identity as well in chapter 19.
     
  18. SKsniper128

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    I think it kind of fits into Tony's character. He's eccentric, random, and shows traces of insanity, but that's just part of his charm. While he might refuse to divulge information when directly asked, he does have a tendancy to blurt out stuff off handedly.

    Also, Rhodey had already guessed that the two mysterious houseguests Tony was sheltering were the other 2/3'rds of the trio on tv.

    -SK
     
  19. Roarian

    Roarian High Inquisitor

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    Yeah, I hadn't even remembered that I'd done that. I'll see what I can tinker with, here. 'Fraid that I didn't put it in my notes (probably added that particular bit at the end and forgot.) Cheers for catching that.
     
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  20. Sauce Bauss

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    The resurrection stone is gamebreaking, in a huge way. Tony would have no problem finding out what his dad meant in the video, since he can just ask him. The Super Soldier serum was lost because the one doctor was killed, they can just bring back all the people who worked on it and work on it from there. Bruce's inner conflict solved by talking to his father. It solves so many problems and provides so much closure that it has the ability to remove a massive amount of (mostly internal) conflict. Unless you have some specific plans regarding it, SHIELD and co. should never learn about it. I'd even be wary about Tony learning about it.

    Aside from that, I squee'd, <3 chu, love all stories long time, write moar, etc. etc. 5/5 author of the year all years, you get the picture.
     
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