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Warlock Hunt | Witch Victory

Discussion in 'Little Italy' started by KaiDASH, Oct 11, 2011.

  1. Silens Cursor

    Silens Cursor The Silencer DLP Supporter

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    Irene, if Sacrifice was used, Fenraellis wouldn't have survived, his protection would have been broken.

    But at this point, I really don't understand the witches strategy, or Vira's (if she had any). Why kill Kensington, of all people? I don't get it. And why the hell did Vira target Moridin? It seems way too random. Those are questions I genuinely don't have answers for right now.
     
  2. Nemrut

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    So, what's the new course of action?
     
  3. Irene

    Irene Seventh Year DLP Supporter Retired Staff DLP Gold Supporter

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    Okay, Jon, I am so sorry, this is a possibility that I feel the town has to consider even if it puts my situation as dangerous...

    What is Jon is scum?

    So on the night of the 3 attempts, Jon sends his mayor/hitman after Fiat/Fen in addition to witches' NK. This gives witches 2 kills. Only the hit on Fen failed. He can't really reveal that he used his kill power, so he claims he checked me and that I am a lover. The witches will already know this so there is no threat of counter-claim. This way, it will both take our suspicions off him as well as protect me because I am still a lover and it is better for the lovers to remain alive. That being done, Jon is now established as innocent as long as I'm truly lover and no one will question how he used his powers or even the possibility that the third attempt was by him.

    Don't rage at me, Jon, I'm putting it out there to consider, but I'm not really choosing a side for this argument yet.

    Edit: If it helps, Jon, if you truly did this you would be ingenious and the ultimate troll for this game.
     
  4. Jon

    Jon The Demon Mayor Admin DLP Supporter

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    I like how one moment Silens is prime material for Thrall, and the next he sends everyone after me.

    *slow claps.*

    What's worse is Irene you seem to be willing to jump straight on it considering I came out and admitted that I used my mayor power and cleared you as Innocent.
     
  5. hgf

    hgf Fourth Year

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    Well they do have a point but I think we should be going after the thrall right now.
     
  6. Aekiel

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    The question is pinpointing who the Thrall is at this point.
     
  7. Silens Cursor

    Silens Cursor The Silencer DLP Supporter

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    Jon, I really didn't want to have to do this, but here it is:

    I'm the Spiritualist. I'm not the Thrall. Why the hell would I raise a question about you and draw more attention to myself after multiple people have found me suspicious? I'm not nearly that stupid, Jon.

    So, you want my evidence that backs up my suppositions? All right, here's what I know:

    Day 1: nobody was protected. Likely because dhulli is a clueless dipshit that wasn't aware something was happening. That means that Matt is either the Survivalist or the Enchantress or dhulli was the BoD - make of that what you will.

    Day 2: Irene was protected. Yeah, that happened, and likely for the reasons I've already stated in this thread - because they're both pro-town, and Little Knee likes Irene (who, by the way, is probably the only person I think is innocent right now). So I knew from the very beginning that Fen wasn't being protected by the angels - and that raises a huge number of questions in itself. So when you came out and said you 'identified' Irene, I wondered why on earth you had bothered.

    Day 3 - you were protected, Jon, and really, why wouldn't they shield you? You pleaded so persuasively to remain safe, and considering at least one of the witches (either Fiat or Lutris) was already there, it wouldn't be difficult for dhulli or Little Knee to be convinced and outvote the last person, providing it wasn't unanimous. But yet the protection the angels gave you proved completely inconsequential, because the witches went after Kensington (of all people) instead. Why wouldn't they go after you - or me, for that matter?

    Because they already knew you were protected against investigation and thus it would an independent verification to get any data other than your word on your position. Because of suspicion already on me for my mistaken defence of Fenraellis, they knew any analysis I would make pointing the finger at another would come across as defensive and thus frame me as the Thrall.

    Or because they never needed to go after you, because you were a witch all along.

    I'm not pointing any fingers yet. Frankly, I don't have enough information at this point to make any sort of snap judgements. But Jon, now would be a very good time to tell us what you think and what you know.
     
  8. Jon

    Jon The Demon Mayor Admin DLP Supporter

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    Oh my fucking god!

    WILL you people stop FEEDING THE WARLOCK.

    Oh well fucking gee I guess you can get away with it since you're the fucking thrall. -_-
     
  9. Jon

    Jon The Demon Mayor Admin DLP Supporter

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    Clarification; That is not the full breadth of my post. I'm going back and looking over the entire thread so I can give you what you asked for. You know, despite me just having come back from dropping my mother off at work at 3 40 in the fucking morning.
     
  10. Nemrut

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    Well, we still have Gaebe, whose posts were rather similar to Fens, in that they were mostly about throwing scenarios out without actually getting to anything.
     
  11. Aekiel

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    In my read through I had discounted Silens from being the thrall based on his defence of Fenraellis. Any thrall worth their salt would distance themselves from the Rogue Warlock, especially when they were drawing attention.

    Personally, I'm suspicious of Mishie at this stage. His posts through the entire thread have been suspicious to me, and his repeated calls for the Priest/Jon to check people despite his lack of other posts reeks of scum to me.
     
  12. The Santi

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    FUCK me.

    Okay, guys I'm sorry that I've been so off lately. I missed Fen being the RW and from Vira's behavior I thought she was scum. I don't have a lot of time between classes, but it's time to make some amends. We need to kill Vesvius!

    It comes out of no where if you look at my posts, so trust me. I know what I'm talking about.

    Lynch Player Vesvius.
     
  13. Vesvius

    Vesvius High Inquisitor DLP Supporter

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    .... Why, how nice to see you too Santi.

    And no, I really don't know why you're voting for me. Elaborate?

    All I can really say without roleclaiming is you'll regret it! My keen observational senses will be missed and you shall never... ah, who the fuck am I kidding.

    Seriously, I would advise not lynching me, not because I'm super smart or have a vital role, but because that would be wasting a decent lynch that would be better spent going after someone else.

    Silen's role claim has thrown me for a bit of a loop. On one hand, it makes me think he's innocent and we hope the desperado is on the ball so the moment the next day opens, he'll kill the Fenlock. My second thought is that he's the thrall who's trying to draw out the actual Spiritualist, but that would just make everyone suspicious of him after he doesn't get soulstealed.

    I'm still combing the thread looking for info, but I'm sure I'll have something soon!

    Or rather, I'm sure I'll come up with nothing, come back, and vote with the wagon as long as it's not on me.
     
  14. Aekiel

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    So assuming we listen to you and lynch Vesvius, how are we meant to determine whether you've been lying or not? Unless the detective outs himself (bad idea, though maybe doable at this stage), we've only got your word to go on that Vesvius was scum. This is, of course, assuming the priest and detective aren't dead already.
     
  15. Jon

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    Part One: The Mayor Vote

    This section of the game is unreliable because of dhulli's presence interfereing with the general interactions of people. As much as I disliked lynching him for being 'himself', I get that it had to be done based on based Mafia games in which the vote was divided because of obnoxious personalities.

    However, despite this looking back there are some clues. For example, Mishie coming up fairly quickly to put forth Irene as Mayor. At first glance this seems logical: She is a good player with a solid track history. At this point in the game we know that she is one of the lovers, and a role that enables her 'survival'.

    If she had been elected Mayor she would have been able to give her Lover an extra life, meaning they'd have a total of potentially 3+ lives between them. Four, assuming she is the survivalist, and three + night attempts if she is the Traveller.

    At this point it's fairly simple to deduce that he is her lover.

    It's interesting that Irene comes in five minutes later with a straight man act to Mishie's funny one. Playing off Mishie's

    Note the plural.

    Moving along to me, I guess.

    The reason most people who actually know me were concerned about voting for me for being Mayor is that they've seen me play Werewolf, and know that I can be very mercurial at the best of times, and removing the ability to determine which side i rolled is a sure fire way to a, as Mishie said, mental breakdown.

    Adding onto this it seems the majority of players who're 'vets' of Mafia are more comfortable playing with people they already know and can deduce the actions of. Funnily enough it shows in the reserve list as well- don't get me wrong, with Lutris' new Mafia game I completely understand his reasoning for requiring players with better understanding of the mechanics, his is a lot more complex than usual due to the multiple mafias.

    Funnily enough- the posts here in the Mayor section lauding Irene's ability to seance with batman is what made me come out and admit that she is innocent. The longer she stays alive the better chance of her figuring out who is who (Though at this point apparently we need no help since people are lining up to feed the warlock extra lives and fucking votes so we can't lynch him. -_-)

    The thread continues on for a while going tl;dr I DUN TRUST U.

    At this point I threw my hands up in the air since it was obvious that I wasn't going to be mayor since you are all a bunch of inbred hits. I voted for Dhulli. He should of been Mayor, he would have done you all proud.

    Vira votes for Lutris, we now know that she wasn't scum, but we also know she had nothing to back it up besides previous Mafia games and the hope that Lutris was a townie. At this point we can be fairly certain that he has a 50/50 chance of being the Assassin. Funnily enough the next post is from Fiat 'Inb4 Lutris is scum'. :awesome

    It's around this point Geabe posts for the first time in the thread. He's almost annoying polite, but that's to be expected considering he is new and not the normal juvenile retard that we usually get. Protip; That's why so many of you are sus about him, because he isn't a idiot. :)

    Lutris appears.

    Posts Macros.

    Slithers away.

    ..actually, that pretty much sums up his entire game. He pops up briefly, posts enough to not be too suspicious, and then vanishes again.

    Eventually I posted my Thesis on the evolutionary dissident about how you're all inbred rednecks who abhor anything new and unknown. I did it out of spite since it seemed like I wasn't going to get a chance to do anything, plus the popular opinion was that I was going to die very soon.

    After this point I decided to steal from Umineko and use 'The Red Truth', which can be simply summed up as 'the truth with my own reputation as reassurance'. I haven't said a single thing before now that was a lie under it. Doing so would tarnish my reputation in any future Mafia games, plus in general.

    Funnily enough we get our first sign that Fenraellis is a warlock at this point.

    After this people vote for me. I become mayor. I promise to protect those who voted for me. I can't protect dhulli from his own mouth. Out of those that voted for me 5 have been killed. One due to lynch, one soul steal, one DoB, and two due to NK's, one of which killed the other. GO TEAM JON FOR MAYOR.

    Part Two: The First Day.

    LittleKnee fucks up and tries to get people to say their role. The first obvious thought is that she is the thrall. We know now that that isn't the case.

    The day progresses with a little banter, nothing obvious except for the fact that dhulli racks up votes like I do points on my hooker rewards card. I was annoyed because I didn't want anyone who voted for me to die after saying that I would do my best to protect them, but frankly the only option would have been to give him an extra life, and that'd paint me black and scummy for keeping someone who'd end up disrupting the game alive.

    Also, Lungs fix your fucking sig, you have no idea how many times I've accidentally clicked on it while going through the thread. -_-

    Night One: The Mattening

    Matt survives a night kill. We all go batshit with the potential for the witches pinging the warlocks on the first night. We now know that he isn't the warlock and my call to pass over him was the right one.

    Yeah that's right bitches. I'm the fucking Mayor and I'm good at my job.

    With Silens reveal as the Spiritualist, as well as Irene's soft claim to two roles we can deduce that one of them is the Traveller and one is the Survivalist.

    Or that Dhulli is the BoD and Matt has some mad confusion going on about his role. :s

    Day Two: The Conjecturing

    The day is mostly filled with discussion about how Matt could have survived. there isn't much to go on for most people.

    Mishie pops up again and suggests the priest check him. Oh and then dumps suspicion on me out of fucking no where, kind of like you did. :) The difference is I know that he is innocent because he's lovers with Irene.

    Castiel pops up for one of the few times and suggests either dhulli BOD or that Matt is the warlock, stating those are the two most likely. this feels scummy to me for some reason. Since he states 'all other reasons are complex'.

    Unless I'm mistaken ( It's 5 30 in the morning. -_- ) Rubicon is the first to vote- and for LK citing her indecisiveness, general derp and the like. We now know that she isn't the thrall. He is one of the people who hasn't posted much at all, something worth noting.

    Also.. Santi is very direct when he wants to lynch, I've noticed. I'm not sure if it's him wielding righteous fury or trying to be focused and strong minded to avoid being suspected as scum. I want him to be innocent though. :( He is a writer and a bro.

    I also think it's worth noting that a lot of people have been busy the past week- So it isn't unreasonable for their silence. Some I know the reasons for ( Ashaya & Mishie ) Others I don't so I find them more suspicious.

    BLAEGHFUGNIGGER Seriously Lungs. Sig. Bad.

    I accidentally the world and got the evil eye from Irene when I called LK a resident loli. ;_; I never knew she had felt so strongly about her position as flat chested short girl!

    I unintentionally ended the day before people admitted they wanted some more time. I tried to change my vote but Kai put his firm manly, and not at all small and feminine foot down on it.

    LittleKnee dies.

    She was innocent.

    Night Two: The Wtfening

    Fiat died.

    Lutris died.

    Fenraellis survived.

    The current most likely scenario is

    Witch kill: Fen
    Vigil kill: Lutris
    Assas kill: Fiat

    Oh, and the Dancer danced.

    Day Three: The Derpening

    Almost straight away comes Silens first defence of Fen.

    So the first thing that pops into his mind is that they're clearly both innocent, and that the fact that fen could be pro-town implies that he has to be pro-town. Because a pro-town is pro-town. Of course, to keep suspicion off he also chucked out 'Oh, and one could be the warlock, dunno'.

    It's also interesting to note that he ends a his post by demanding another player defends themself against him- which he does a lot when there is a chance a finger could be pointed, from oh say.. someone against a warlock who just survived a night kill, or I don't know, the obvious case where he is a Thrall and apparantly is unconcerned with revealling his role?

    I mean, it's a good move. If the person doesn't defend themselves one automatically assumes they're guilty, otherwise wouldn't it be easy to defend themself?

    The thing about the thrall is that Dhulli could have been the Spiritualist, and then Silens claim would still be true. The Thrall gets the first lynched role after all.

    Real smooth.

    I throw out a Deadline vote to Fen to get him to respond. It works, but he doesn't confirm or directly deny being the warlock. After all, he can afford the time to wait and see what happens. The desperado isn't going to be willing to sacrifice themself for a maybe. Let me tell you that much. And we can't really rely on the judge still being alive at this point, as much as I god fuck hope they are, because at this rate Fen is not going to be killable.

    He's been revealled, he has Silens ready for another SS to make sure he doesn't die, plus conjecture- That as you can see from this post itself is fucking easy to deduce.

    (FML derailing self.)

    A few people jump on Irene 'because' she is dangerous. She specifically Vira, hgf, Vesvius. Santi claims she's going to die as well, interestingly enough, not out of malice, but because either she's going to get NK'ed or lynched for being kept alive too long. I know now, as should you all if you even remotely trust me, that she is innocent and a lover, giving the witches good reason to keep her alive.

    Ves points out that generally high profile DLPers (People who post a lot and Authors) get tagged quickly for death. He mentions Silens and Santi.. (and not me. ;-;) Admittedly I did recently call him out for writing a certain fic which we've agreed not to speak of again.

    Fen edits one of his posts- I only just catch it on a refresh. I can't remember what it was he said originally but I did remember it made me skeptical.

    Silens posts again resolutely defending Fen,

    He is quite firm in that Fenraellis isn't the warlock, and doesn't even suggest the Witches could of targetted him, and again attempts to redirect suspicions to Geabe, who seems to be his goto guy for a patsy.

    Honestly, looking back you look as guilty as fuck, I had assumed you had some inside info like you were the mad scientist or priest, but since you're claiming Spiritualist that throws my previous assumptions out the window. You have no basis for your firm belief in Fen, and the moment he turns out to be a warlock your immediate reaction is 'Whoooops!'

    With the looming suspision over Irene threatening to divide enough votes to stop from finding out if Fen's neck is lynch proof I had to reveal that I had used my mayor power during the previous night, and that Irene was innocent. I posted asking the Angels to give me protection because the likelyhood of me surviving the night without my bluff of an extra life seemed slim.

    I got it, according to Silens, which makes me assume that the witches skipped trying to target me because there was no reason for me not to have received it from the Angels.

    Oh.

    And

    Okay seriously, how did we not see you for thrall earlier? Everytime you defend Fen you point your finger at someone else demanding they defend themselves. Every.Single.Time.

    I cbf'ed with this any more.

    tl;dr Vira fucked us over. Silens is the thrall. He role revealled, so even if he isn't he needs to get lynched so Fenraellis doesn't get another soul steal tomorrow.

    It's 6 47 Am, good fucking night you scummy bastard.

    Vote Lynch: Silens
     
  16. Mishie

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    Or like I mentioned earlier, I've been on placement working 9-5 at a childrens hospital. But anyway why have people been acting so retarded lately? Jesus it's called WARLOCK hunt for a reason, there is a warlock in the game that can kill you if he knows what you are, and yet Silens is the second person to role claim when we know for a fact that the Warlock is still alive. And don't get me started on Vira's briliant plan...

    Either way, Vira and Silens, you guys are starting to make dhulli look good and I really hope that you were lieing about your role claim for some strange reason Silens...
     
  17. Silens Cursor

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    Jon, let's be honest here - yeah, I role-revealed precisely because this shit has gotten messed up and I felt I needed to come forward and explain myself.

    I'll be completely honest here, I screwed up when it came to Fen, and frankly, I should have suspected him sooner - frankly, based upon the info I had, it didn't make a lot of sense that he was the Warlock. I fucked up, nobody listened to me anyways, it happens. It's not like I actually swayed anyone one way or another.

    But let's be quite clear here, Jon, it's not like you have been one to sound innocent either - presuming you're telling the truth, why the fuck did you waste your investigation on Irene? Compared to most in this thread, she wasn't nearly suspicious enough to warrant an investigation, and since the angels protected her anyways, I don't see your rationale.

    So Jon, unless you're running the most elaborate con of your life, your tl,dr seems to indicate innocence. Bravo - I would really have liked to have seen that earlier, but let's face it, you probably wouldn't have written it if I hadn't provoked it with my suspicions.

    So now it comes down to the options, and those namely depend on whether or not you believe my role-claim.

    1. Presuming you do, you lynch me (presuming Jon's bandwagon gains any significant force), but Fenraellis does the soul-steal and he gains that power as well, and then you have absolutely no freaking clue who the real Thrall is and have to start over. On the other hand, you might then get a false kill for the count for the Vigilante to take action, so I guess that's good (I'm not sure on the rules at this point - KaiDASH, can you explain this?).

    2. You're unsure, so you don't lynch me - and then Fenraellis may attempt the soul-steal depending on whether he believes me. Now, he might back off, unsure of my trustworthiness - but either way, unless someone else comes forward with something that might indicate their findings, everyone's going to assume Fen's inaction is because I'm the thrall, and that means I'm going to get lynched later, regardless of the actual fact.

    So you know what? Either way, I'm screwed eventually. Fuck it - it's your choices, not mine. A lynch isn't going to save this unless we get some more information on the table.
     
  18. Aekiel

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    Okay, you convinced me. I hadn't considered the thrall's power when eliminating Silens from the running for it. Plus, his up front approach is exactly the opposite way I'd play his role, so it just seemed strange to me to think like that.

    Vote Player: Silens Cursor

    ---------- Post automerged at 09:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:16 PM ----------

    And I'm off to work now, so I'll be back in 9 hours or so.
     
  19. Nemrut

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    Silens seems to be the most probable suspect for now.

    Deadline Vote Player: Silens Cursor

    Still quite some time left, so will see how this developed when I wake up again.
     
  20. Lungs

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    Jon, that was illa legit.

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