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What wand did Voldemort use on Harry in the forest?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Dark Syaoran, Jul 21, 2010.

  1. Torak

    Torak Death Eater

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    Dam nigga you just bodied that post.
     
  2. Skeletaure

    Skeletaure Magical Core Enthusiast ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    The Elder Wand didn't fail the second time. It shot the Killing Curse perfectly fine. It was Harry's disarming spell that flipped it.
     
  3. Lecter

    Lecter Seventh Year

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    There is another wand-connected massive plothole that I recently discovered. Well, not exactly a plothole, but a huge oversight, at least. Voldy died because the Elder Wand would not kill its true master, and the curse backfired. He also used Nagini to kill Snape, rather than the wand, because he feared that exactly that would happen. The problem is that nowhere is it established that a wand will not work against its master. It's true. When questioned on the subject, Ollivander says this:

    That's it. He says that a wand always works better for its master, not that it can't be used against him. You'd think he'd mention such an important point in a lecture on how wand ownership worked. And yet both Harry and Voldemort act as if they are convinced that that's the case. While they are apparently right to think so, Rowling completely fails to explain why they do.
     
  4. Striker

    Striker What's up demons?

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    I'd just thought that the Elder Wand was different than others. Seeing as it can be passed on through infinity under the right circumstances, you'd think it'd have a different set of 'rules'. Its supposed to be a super wand. It doesn't matter who its owner is, how powerful they are, ect. Its still going to be damned powerful either way.

    And seeing as it doesn't give those benifits to anyone but its owner, you'd think it would also prevent it from being used against he or she.

    Regarding Ollivander, well, there haven't been any other wands like the death stick and probably never will be. It was one of the hollows, a myth among wizard society. It would just take up time that Ollivander didn't want to spend explaining to children that had less that a .0001 percent chance of ever coming into contact with that kind of wand anyway.

    Might be wrong, but that's the only explenation I can think of right now.
     
  5. Dark Syaoran

    Dark Syaoran No. 4 Admin

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    Another thing - wouldn't Voldemort become the master of the Elder Wand by 'killing' Harry? Harry become master by disarming Draco - who didn't even have the wand in the first place, but was still it's master despite never touching it because he disarmed Dumbledore in HBP.

    Wouldn't the ownership change? I dunno.
     
  6. Schrodinger

    Schrodinger Muggle ~ Prestige ~

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    Harry allowed it to happen, so he was not 'defeated'. But on that hand, Dumbledore allowed Malfoy to disarm him.
    I'm just gonna gow with Rowling failure.
     
  7. Blazzano

    Blazzano Unspeakable

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    IMO it went something like this:

    Before the forest clearing, Voldemort posessed and used the Elder Wand, but wasn't its master. The same was true after the clearing.

    The battle in between doesn't count as defeating Harry, because he didn't actually kill or disarm him. The AK knocked Harry the fuck out, and knocked Voldemort the fuck out, so it was a draw. Voldemort failed to follow through properly by ensuring that Harry was dead.

    Funny thing is, I bet it wouldn't have been hard for Voldemort to become master of the Elder Wand, if only he knew how. If he had walked over to Harry's body and stolen Harry's wand from him, that might have counted as an actual "victory," and the Elder Wand would then change allegiance.
     
  8. Blaise

    Blaise Golden Patronus

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    It seemed fairly simple to me: Harry didn't die, the soul piece in his head did.

    EDIT: what blazzano said, basically. Dunno how/why I missed that >_>
     
  9. Garden

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    Also, Malfoy disarmed Dumbledore against his wishes, but Dumbledore let himself be killed.
    Basically, Malfoy "defeated" Dumbledore, but Dumbledore let Snape kill him.
     
  10. Republic

    Republic The Snow Queen –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    Draco's ownership is not a plot hole. I didn't read HBP in English, but I am pretty sure that the meaning is the same. And by Harry's words, Dumbledore spend the only second he had in freezing Harry before the Expelliarmus struck him. Even at full strength, I'm not sure that he could sense someone running the stairs from atop of the Astronomy Tower in a battle-ridden castle. And take in account that Dumbledore was severely weakened by whatever the hell it was that he drank in the cave. No, I believe that freezing Harry was truly the best he could do at the time. Letting himself be disarmed by Draco was not in the plan. Snape had to kill him, and by giving Draco the chance to, was making things too risky for his liking.
    So, Harry's words in Dumbledore's state are true. He had a choice between shielding himself and freezing Harry.
    That being said, that was stupid as well. Why not shield himself, then just take Draco out?
     
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