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Which characters do you dislike?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Alexx, Jun 21, 2015.

  1. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    The manner in which James humiliated Snape marks him as a bully, in my opinion. That wasn't a schoolyard fight between two boys of equal skill and standing. Snape's reaction to it would have been different had that been the case, at least imo. You can 'see' whatever you want, and write it in fanfiction, but that doesn't make it canon. Though I agree we don't know for absolute certain.
     
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  2. Alexx

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    We know that Snape used Sectumsempra pretty much a curse which kills you on James which grazes his cheek. Hardly someone who who is getting bullied would do that. It seems more of a war than bullying.
     
  3. Ched

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    Or you could view it as a bullied child finally lashing out with something he hopes will make them leave him alone for once. Hard to say.
     
  4. Rahkesh Asmodaeus

    Rahkesh Asmodaeus THUNDAH Bawd Admin DLP Supporter

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    Even with all the proof that Snape was as much of prick, if not more of one (Lily going so far as to call him and his friends evil), as James was when they were in Hogwarts -- James grew up, Snape never did. That automatically makes James a much better person and man than Snape could ever hope to be.

    Ched -- Snape was just as much of a bully as James was, don't treat him as though he's a victim. He's not.
     
  5. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    I'll give you that point. Snape never managed to grow up or move past anything, and he took out his shit on kids. Not a good person at all.
     
  6. Stan

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    Whether Snape was a good person or not is hardly of relevance. It is hard to see washing somebody's mouth with soap, hanging him upside down, removing his pants (or, at least, threatening to) and generally humiliating him in front of an audience as anything other than bullying.

    Plus, JKR has described the Marauders' campaign against Snape as "relentless bullying". Let me see if I can find a quote.
     
  7. Andrela

    Andrela Plot Bunny DLP Supporter

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    True, but bullying a bully is still bullying.
     
  8. Invictus

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    Snape in the books is a petty, stuck in the past little tyrant with a very obvious obssession, but since I fist met him through the magnificence that was Alan Rickman I can't find myself to hate him very much. Malfoy is pathetic, as is his family, for all they talk the time things go bad they start running, after killing and torturing is just okay go back? They remind me of the nihilists in Big Lebowski.

    James was a bully, and yet, he was not in the sense that unlike the media tells you, a bully isn't someone that lives to make other people life miserable, he just liked to mess with people he dislike and annoy and humilliate them as much he could, but wouldn't go very far with that. He certainly is a self centered dick, sometimes quite the asshole, but not a monster or a very bad person, I believe he would be a blast to have as a friend and could be a great person, specially if he had grown up like Sirius and Lupin said. Who wasn't a self centered dick when a teen?

    Hermione annoys me, quite a lot. Now that Taure mentioned I can't help but feel that they are shallow characters. Lupin was a coward, but more annoying to me, he just feels like a man that has given up, he is Nietzsche Last Man. I hate it. Umbridge is Joffrey's HP. Krum, Cedric and Fleur are stereotypes/clichés and that annoys me since their background, traits and appearence has great potential, like some fics showed.
     
  9. Alexx

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    The Maruaders could easily be just the Weasley twins of their generation with a war on Snape. I really don't see them bullying random students.
     
  10. crimson sun06

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    Actually it is mentioned in OoTP by Sirius and Remus that once James stopped hexing people for the heck of it Lily started going out with him. That proves that Snape wasn't his only victim.
    In other words he was a bully. He probably became a better human later but he definitely was one before.
     
  11. Alexx

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    Ron the guy is an awful friend. The worst was when he abandoned Harry during the Horcrux hunt just because he missed mummy's cooking.
     
  12. Andrela

    Andrela Plot Bunny DLP Supporter

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    Ron was influenced by the locket Horcrux. Of course, that doesn't matter at all since he returned anyway.

    Ron is a thousand light years better than Hermione. I'd prefer Realistic Ron than Harpy Hermione any day of the week as a friend.
     
  13. Alexx

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    What about GOF when he abandoned Harry?
     
  14. Andrela

    Andrela Plot Bunny DLP Supporter

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    That was a simple mistake of a 14 year old boy. Heaven forbid anyone is ever wrong!

    Better be perfect, eh?
     
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    I can't stand Snape. I used to like him a whole bunch, but the more I grow older the more I hate him. The way he bullies his class, especially Neville, is disgusting. That sort of behavior is what kids commit suicide over, and I think of that when I remember Harry named a kid after him.

    Other than him, I'm meh about everyone else.
     
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  16. Rahkesh Asmodaeus

    Rahkesh Asmodaeus THUNDAH Bawd Admin DLP Supporter

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    What about in Philosopher's Stone when he was the one to choose to be knocked unconscious by a giant chess piece when he was only 11 years old.

    What about when he decided without hesitation to face Slytherin's monster because his little sister was captured when he was only 12 years old.

    What about in Prisoner of Azkaban when he stood with a broken leg in between Harry and what he believed to be a terribly powerful Death Eater who had been known to murder a dozen people with a single curse. "If you want to kill Harry, you'll have to kill us too!"

    What about in GoF when he freely admitted his mistake. How many 14 year old boys do you know to swallow all that pride and be a man?

    Shall I go on, or are you going to use one instance (which he rectified) in which his teenage nature got the better of him to cast the character away as a jealous ass?
     
  17. Goten Askil

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    This. I honestly worry for the world when giving him a pretty face (Alan Rickman's) is enough to make him one of the favourite characters in the series. The guy psychologically tortures 11-years-old and people excuse it because he stalk the same girl for 30 years, even after her death.

    If you re-read the books you'll see he made an admitedly very bad rash decision under influence from one of the worst Dark artifact ever invented. And he tried to return nearly immediately. I don't about you, but I sure wouldn't be able to swallow my pride and apologize after such a shitty move. That's one of the reasons I love Ron as a character. The guy isn't perfect and makes mistakes, but he admits them and he grows from them.

    In topic, for the characters I hate, Snape has the palm, mainly in opposition to love he receives in the fandom.

    Umbridge or the Dursleys are so obviously evil/stupid/irredeemable that it's actually funny. Sure, I wanted to see them die each time they appeared in canon, but they're just too much to really put any feeling into hating them.

    Lupin I have a hard time explaining his dick decision in DH. The no-contact with Harry I may not like it but I can understand (he thought Harry was better without a werewolf, he resented James for suspecting him of spying for Voldemort, he wanted Harry to have a normal muggle childhood...) but abandoning your pregnant wife I can't. And justification ("your father would have wanted me with you") was so stupid I cheered for Harry Indy!teenager retort. You've just married her, assume your decisions.

    On character I cannot bear anymore is Hermione. She just embodies all the character traits I cannot stand in real people (and my friends say they cannot stand in me so that may be linked). Plus the moments where she obsessed over something stupid with a great sign "Here is the author's view, pay attention" and ends up being right make her even more unbearable to me.

    tl;dr: Don't hate Ron, hate Hermione and Snape
     
  18. Stan

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    Ron initial fight with Harry in GoF wasn't about jealousy, not completely anyway. Read that part again.

    Ron seemed to genuinely believe that Harry had put his name in the Goblet and seemed more hurt than angry that Harry hadn't told him. Seeing that Harry had told Ron earlier that day he could have done it without anyone seeing, it isn't hard to see why Ron would think that way. Plus, a thousand Galleon prize money would have meant a lot to Ron, and had he been given an opportunity to participate, he would have certainly taken it regardless of the risk to his life, so he probably couldn't imagine Harry doing anything else.

    Ron would have probably realized that it wasn't Harry's fault after he had cooled down a bit, but was too stubborn to apologize. Actually, he seemed on the verge of apologizing a couple of times, but Harry was angry and didn't really want to listen to anything Ron said. Fanon grossly exaggerates Ron's animosity towards Harry during this period -- in canon, Ron mostly avoided Harry and never went out of his way to be a dick towards him. In fanfics, he insults Harry all the time, calls Hermione a mudblood and wears a "Potter Stinks" badge.... :facepalm
     
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  19. Alexx

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    Ron is an imbecile, no kidding. He always seems to be right there to distract Harry from actually working. When Hermione says "let's go to the library", he says "let's play quidditch/let's play chess". Sure, his jealousy was only evident once, but it is easy to tell that he has the potential to do it again. He apparently wants to be Head Boy and Quidditch Captain, but he puts no effort towards realizing his goals. He is a bad student, and a lucky quidditch player, and he makes no attempts at being better. I can't stand stories in which Harry VOLUNTARILY rejects the offer of becoming Quidditch Captain, and gives it to Ron instead. What the hell? JKR spent most of Book 5 detailing how terrible Ron was at Quidditch, and how only luck managed to save him in the end.
     
  20. MonkeyEpoxy

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    Christ. We all know that Ron isn't Hermione or Percy or fuckin Dumbledore, but he got 7 O.W.Ls. He's not Goyle.

    The only difference between him and Harry was that Harry managed an Outstanding in DADA instead of an EE.

    I'm sure you'll have a hot indy!Harry take about Ron holding Harry back academically, though.
     
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