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Who says you can't conjure food?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Resident Weevil, Jul 25, 2008.

  1. artenry

    artenry Guest

    Hmm.

    Well, some do like to say that Conjuration is merely a derivative of Transfiguration - a matter of Transfiguring air molecules so that it merely appears that one is Conjuring something from thin air.

    With enough imagination in Transfiguration/Conjuration, one could theoretically produce anything, whether it be food or drink - but it would probably be temporary.

    This could be for any number of reasons, drawing from both canon/fanon - the fundamental nature of Transfiguration not allowing permanency; a lack of magical energy to power the spell matrix; not enough visual imagination to create the necessary aspects, etc., etc.

    If it's a matter of the fundamentality of not allowing Transfigured/Conjured permanent items (like food and drink), then tough luck, I suppose. Shit happens.

    But otherwise, if you can spare it, just pump more magic and brain power, until it does become permanent.
     
  2. Rin

    Rin Oberstgruppenführer DLP Supporter

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    I think that Weevil's right on this one. I think that the idea that you cannot conjure food simply stems from the idea that if you eat it, when it breaks down and is absorbed into your system, you might find your system filled with whatever the food WAS before you transfigured it. If you're lucky, it will still be in your intestines or stomach before absorbtion. If you're unlucky, it might change back after absorbtion, meaning that a segment of your bloodstream would suddenly turn into something else, not nutrients.
     
  3. Iztiak

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    Again, that might be correct, but the topic is conjuration.

    It isn't transfigured out of anything in particular.
    Hence the name.
     
  4. Rin

    Rin Oberstgruppenführer DLP Supporter

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    The point still stands. What happens when whatever you've eaten or drunk, goes back to being nothing at all?

    Before absorbtion, it won't likely affect you much.

    After absorbtion, it can affect you in very bad ways.
     
  5. Blaise

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    It still doesn't explain why it shouldn't stay permanent. Especially when you consider that DH explained what happend when something was Vanished. Too lazy to find the actual quote, but she's answering the Ravenclaw Riddle Eagle and talks about Vanished items going into nonbeing, and thus everything. If Conjured items don't last long, then shouldn't Vanished items (being its opposite) randomly appear in the spot from where it was Vanished after a set amount of time ?
     
  6. Iztiak

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    It is never mentioned that transfigured objects revert to the previous forms. At least not to my knowledge.
     
  7. Blaise

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    It stands to reason that there's something temporary about it, otherwise the Weasleys wouldn't dress like the vermin they are. When one considers that Mrs. Weasley spends her time not in the kitchen knitting shit, and that Mr. Weasley charmed a car to fly on a lark, making their clothes not look like shit should be relatively easy.
     
  8. Iztiak

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    Or it stands to reason that JKR didn't consider any of that, as she usually doesn't.

    Temporary or no, It's still irritating when things like the imperious curse are commonplace, being bandied about by anyone who can pronounce it, while making food is impossible for anyone, no matter how skilled they are.

    But whatever, I'm not going to argue about it anymore.
     
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    Yes it is fan-dom. But I agree with Palver:

    Or perhaps the discipline required for it is not very commonly found in wizards. After all, the Weasleys are poorer than church mice supposedly and yet there is a banquet fit for a duke at the burrow every year. This can only be explained by conjuration of food.
     
  11. Mirkwood

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    We all know that Molly Weasley cuts chunks of fat off her ass with a Diffindo and then uses a glamour charm and some kind of taste charm to make it look and taste good, thats how they have a banquet.
     
  12. artenry

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    Ouch.
    She must have some kind of expansion charm on her ass, to hold that much.
     
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    Look, you can transfigure a piece of wood into a live chicken. If you can do that, you can cook the damn think. Voila, fuck conjuring food, all you need is a simply transfiguration charm and an oven and you're set.

    All in all, if you can't conjure permanent food that is retarded as you seem to be able to make any animal you wish from a terd or whatever the else you find around your house ... though I hope you don't find terds just chilling around your house. Anyways, this is just one more plot hole to slap onto JKR. Then again, you can't really blame her for fucking up a few things. After all, it is like thirty thousand words total.
     
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