In the interest of full-disclosure, I have indeed informed Burk of this, and that we're not supposed to talk about the game outside of it (he asked me how to introduce himself and basic tips).

Anyway, Burk, good so far, remember that you'll be expected to analyze and give reasons for anything you may or may not do. G'luck.

 

@Sloth

I was drunk last night and was curious how the thread was going.

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Two things more to say before I address specific questions and then move on from there:

1) If I were scum I would not be stupid enough to read the thread a lot without logging out, for exactly the reason you described of seeing me online. Friday/Saturday evenings can be busy for me

2) Do you really think as scum I would throw everything out the window for a lynch, when I could have coasted yesterday? All I had to do was drop the stuff on you when Font did and feign inactivity when I'm pretty sure I had a strong role in forcing a lynch to occur.

@Hosts

Give Burk a mentor if possible?

Also almost caught a huge hole in the mechanics. Turns out Spirit Tracker does get notification of who the Agents of the Dead targeted, or else they may just have received "your target visited X" and have no idea who the braineater was, which would have been incredibly bad if not planned.

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Step 1:

Re-explanation of why it was incredibly pro-town to lynch yesterday.

A) Scum lynched:

Scum was lynched. Obviously a good thing

B) Town lynched:

Town dies at night (Fonti). Two towns sharing first PR role. We lynch today. If we lynch scum, we lynched scum. If we lynch town, that player will be an Agent of the Dead. Thus Spirit Tracker will get a fairly strong PR result.

Reasons why we need to lynch in general:
Scum dictating kills means Spirit Tracker reads may lead in Spirit Tracker deaths. That is bad since we lose PR ability. Also, in general it's bad to let scum dictate kills because it will work in their favor vs. ours. Our only real tools are lynching + talking, that's fucking throwing away a lot of power by not lynching.

Step 2:

Vote Count:

Sloth(3): MathBlade, Snowven

Prophylaxis(2): Sesc, Maiden

Lyrium(1): Zennith

Mathblade(7): Sloth, Rubicon, Cirtus, Lyrium, Maiden, fontisian, Prophylaxis

not voting (2): Caligula

Sesc did not show up at all near dayend.

Strong point on how Zennith slowed a lynch down yesterday.

I wanted to give Zennith more time to post to develop a read on him. He's mirroring both previous games, but I'm starting to feel scum from him - the difference in his scum/town play is when scum he subtly tries to slow down town progress. Ex: going for a no-lynch

Step 3:

Do you guys really think Fonti read me that incredibly badly? He's confirmed town, this is reminding me of last game where everyone decided the odds were 2 members of the jail chat must be scum. This is stupidly illogical, acknowledge that you are calling his reads complete crap if you think I'm scum

Step 4:

Sloth, your long post has made me question my read on you. Partially because a lot of the early stuff you did looks hella scummy, but that was a lot of analysis of the living players. AKA why Font ended up unvoting you among other reasons.

Step 5:

Day 2 stuff as I quote

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I don't fucking care what made you "confident enough to do that"

The entire point of that post was that it WASN'T bandwagoning. Bandwagoning is just sheeping a vote IE when I voted Mathblade because Font did near the end of D1. I was specifically trying to explain that I individually read him as scummy, and thus that another separate player had independently come to the same conclusion, strengthening the probability he was scum. I'm not so sure anymore

Why the fuck would he try to buddy up with experienced players? If anything that just shows he's experienced himself, because doing that would cause experienced players to suspect him.

Don't meta-clear yourself with a future action. Also your post about you requested a no lynch before as town - I don't know the context in that game. I DO know in this game it was completely better for town to lynch D1.

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The fuck do you mean the ninja'd I claimed happen? Look at the fucking time-log. I said myself that I wanted a fucking lynch. Even if it was a town mislynch it was beneficial for town, as I explained. It had nothing to do about when it looked suspicious to vote, it had everything to do with VOTING IN A WAY THAT SECURES A LYNCH. And on top of that I was willing to sheep Font at day-end so if he wanted the vote I was willing to follow his reads. If I wanted to coast or was scum, I would have just continued to soft-tunnel you and made up nice-sounding arguments. But no, instead I went for an actual lynch.

No, it's me explaining that my reasoning was that I townread Font strongly enough that I'm willing to go ahead and follow his vote. At that point in the day I had a headache and was not remembering stuff I hadn't focused on very well (ex: most stuff outside Sloth), but I had a strong townread on Font and was willing to follow through with that. I didn't see Mathblade as a being lynchable at the first point plus I was still trying to read through the thread because I kept getting ninja'd on that page. It has nothing to do with me having an alibi, it had to do with what was best for the town.

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SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GIVE GOOD REASONING ON WHY A NO LYNCH WAS BETTER THAN LYNCHING YESTERDAY EVEN IF IT WAS A TOWN MISLYNCH, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW RUBICON GOT AWAY WITH TRYING TO NO LYNCH YESTER AND STILL SEEMS TO BE GETTING AWAY WITH IT IT.

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I'm done posting for now

 

@Proph: ((What's PBPA?))

I'm actually reading you as scum a little bit. It feels a little weird that you like my reads list, considering they weren't well thought out and give away very little. Going by your post, it seems like that's when you started townreading me.

Also, you were maybe-reading MathBlade as town but still lynched her. Yours was the final vote, actually. You said you were going to reread the game, keeping MathBlade's lynch in mind. Could you maybe post about that?

And -- and I'm only wondering about this because Sloth pointed it out -- you haven't really said anything about Fonti being NK'd. At the end of your post you left off on the rest of the Day because you didn't do much until Night, but that doesn't mean the things that happened that you're skipping out on aren't worth addressing.

/\/\/\

@Sloth: Assumed? It has everyone's gender under their avatars. Everyone in this thread is obsessing over details in each other's posts, don't tell me you didn't ever notice that I'm male when it's written next to all of my posts.

/\/\/\

I like Maiden. She's actually calling me out on my suspicious shit that everyone is handwaving as newb!town. Probably not much of a towntell but she's a townread for me.

 

Citrus: "The entire point of that post was that it WASN'T bandwagoning. Bandwagoning is just sheeping a vote IE when I voted Mathblade because Font did near the end of D1. I was specifically trying to explain that I individually read him as scummy, and thus that another separate player had independently come to the same conclusion, strengthening the probability he was scum. I'm not so sure anymore"

@ Citrus: You should have said something akin to that before (when you're talking about coming to the same conclusion independently). THAT actually makes sense and doesn't sound quite so suspicious. But looking at all of the information, it still doesn't help you.
You said that you "voted for MathBlade at the end of D1 because Fonti did." Just like you voted for Sloth after Fonti did, and just like you voted for me, because of Fonti.
It's like you're trying to glide along to get through this game. Now that Fonti's not here, who are you going to vote for? Why will you vote for them? I'd like reasons, explanations, etc. because you look so scummy right now, you'll need 100 baths to clean that crap off.

@Snowvon: If you feel that Prophy is scum, then why haven't you cast a vote to reflect that or a vote on another scumread that you have?

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@Citrus:*facepalm* My fault, I forgot that you voted for Rubicon at the beginning of D2. Is the only reason for your vote because he was okay with a no-lynch?

 

Pretty sure I clarified that after, when I said I wanted to do it before Font also voted/stated Sloth is scum.

I voted Rubicon become I am almost positive he's scum. Do you honestly think I'm coasting? Did you not see the flurry of posts at D1 end? If I was coasting I would have just gleefully watched a no-lynch occur.

The no-lynch makes me nigh-positive he's scum, because he was doing a relatively good job of breaking the mentality of lynch. I have yet to see a proper explanation of why no lynching is bad - the best Rubicon has given is "Not sure if we'd be lynching scum" + "Oh hey I said it in another game before"

Game start: 12

Mislynch town every day:

12 D1
10 D2
8 D3 MYLO
7 D4 LYLO (3 lynches)

Skip D1 lynch:

11 D2
9 D3
7 D4 MYLO (3 lynches)

The key difference being, Agent of the Dead comes in to play a day early. That's an entire PR report extra, which can make a massive difference.

@Rubicon

If you don't convince me why no lynching was pro-town, I will tunnel you to either of our deaths.

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Also, I don't get a very strong scum-hunting vibe from him. He's asking questions of people and then pushing scum-team ideas, but my thoughts don't match his and it's making me question his motivations.

@Sloth

I asked those questions earlier btw because I wanted to know what you think scumhunting is. As in how do you think a vote helps in pressure. For example, you're using it for pressure today on me vs. not using it early on yesterday. Those are opposite ways of pressure.

@Whoever told me saying a pressure vote loses it's pressure when named thus
When I pressure vote, I'm usually comfortable going through to lynch with it if necessary, short of RVS stage (and even then I'll stick with it to make the vote carry weight)

 

The Dermon game was Witch Hunt 3 - https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=25297

Could be, but suggesting a bad idea doesn't make me scummy.

I don't understand why you think I'd have wanted to NL yesterday as scum. Am I missing something or were there not like three viable lynches I could have pushed through at that point? Unless you think Sloth, Maiden, MathBlade are all scum with me (plus probably you since several people seemed ok with lynching you) then your point is going over my head.

I have no idea if it was better. Enough people whose opinions I respect are telling me it's not that I'm probably just missing something.

 

@Maiden: I'm still working on other scumreads. It just seemed hasty to immediately vote for him.

Buuut that's stupid because I can always change it. Right.

Vote: Prophy

 

Prophy's last post is pretty bad actually. The stream-of-consciousness / quoting his notes thing feels extremely forced, a lot like ika's "catch ups" from last game. He's not scumhunting in that post.

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Every time I say something to Citrus I see him open the thread and read my post, and then like half a day later he responds. Bad sign.

Sorry for the confusion.

Psh, this is dlp. You're not even top 10.

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What specifically do you like about Maiden's posts?

 

citrus(2): sloth, birkon
maiden(3): lyrim, rubicon, proplaxis
rubicon(1): cirtus
prophlaxis(1): snowvon

 

Makes me wonder if your scum-read on me is based on a difference in playstyle? The assumption here is that scum would lurk it out and not care about achieving a lynch. My main goal when I'm scum is to ram through as many mislynches as possible before I'm inevitably checked by a PR and lynched.

 

What, you want me to respond while I'm out having dinner? I check the site occasionally because there are long gaps of no posts like earlier today and I want to see of anyone posted. I don't live behind my computer 24/7,and I don't like posting more than brief thoughts on my phone because it's basically impossible to highlight text or use quotes

 

Same core assumption.

Be more specific please. If you want to know my motivations, ask me questions or flat out say what you disagree with.

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Eh, would just expect more responsiveness whether it's on your phone or not.

 

And you're trying to meta clear yourself, for the second time. It may be acceptable if another player said something like that about you (unless scummates), but it is NOT something you can do because you can just pick any aspect of play you have shown/not shown and say "oh guys hey I'm town because of all these things I came up eith"

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Half your posts just feel like trying to be active for the sake of looking active. I'll quote the posts when I'm on my computer they're from day 1

 

Vote: Prophy

 

Because I've shown over and over why no lynching day 1 is VERY bad. Instead of analysing it yourself or saying anything about it, all you've done is blame others - the post where you said you just Sweeped other players saying it was better to no lynch. So why were you so vocal about not lynching day 1?my point is that it's worth scum trying to not allow a lynch day 1 vs. Even a town mislynches, and that's why you have that motivation/can't argue why it was OK now

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The fuck Rubicon, don't drop your vote on me answer for yourself why it was OK to no lynch day 1

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Aww hell no, you want me to post on my phone I will. I want you to answer why it was OK to not lynch day 1 in your eyes. Return and respond scum

 

The point is that there's no reason for me to push a NL as scum: It gains me nothing and is actually a net negative if I were to succeed. Do you disagree?

 

No, because you reduce the number of agent of the dead reports we can receive. Aka scum motivation for a day 1 no lynch. Either way we would hit lylo on day 4 worst case scenario with all town mislynches, but that's less direct town info then

 

I honestly don't know what you're talking about re: blaming others.

I was vocal about it because I thought it seemed like a better idea than lynching town-Sloth. It might not have been. I don't know. I put my vote on one of my top scum suspects and went to bed.

What is hard to understand about this?

-_-

Prophylaxis is a better target for my vote right now.

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I guess. I feel like lynching an active town / good scumhunter is strictly better, but willing to concede that you could think it was scum-motivated, at least.

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Citrus: What's your read on Prophylaxis?

 

No shit that's strictly better, but there's no way you can pull something like that off without getting caught/being lynched for it

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His d2 post does not match up with my expectations and but I'm giving the benefit of doubt until his next post before I solidify that. I do concur with your calling it forced

 

You underestimate me.