I'm trying not to

 

I’m feeling a distinct lack of activity. Hoping it’s just because of the weekend. (< Stay-home-and-drink-wine sort of person.)

@Citrus

Not questioning 1, but it doesn’t exactly prove Townie behavior.
On 2, not sure what you’re talking about by “throw everything out the window for a lynch,” do you mean my lynch? The Day’s lynch? Either way it doesn’t make sense.
Also, the rest doesn’t make sense to me. In what way would coasting not have been extremely suspicious after dropping the case on me? Also, dropping it right after Fonti did was exactly what you did.
About your role on forcing a lynch, one of the biggest point on previous posts was that you raged for a lynch, gave good reasons why it should happen, while your actions (voting maiden, just following along Fonti, delaying the vote on mathblade, even unvoting me especially when you were bringing up huge cases for a Town mislynch being beneficial) were geared towards keeping the lynch from happening. Again, you were putting on a show, and I’ve seen nothing to make me think otherwise, so I don’t think your role was particularly important in making the lynch happen, especially when your vote on the lynch only fell when it would have been suspicious not to have it happen.

…No one’s arguing this? But yes, your arguments are correct.

Not relevant, but that vote count (which you got from the Titus post) is incorrect in 2 ways. 3 if you count your name spelled as ‘Cirtus.’
Your case on Zennith is actually pretty similar to what I’m saying about you.

Short answer’s yes. I do my own analysis. I would have loved to seen her case on you, it’s what I planned to ask for today.
Point being that Tish is a great player, but she can be wrong. I’m not seeing what she’s seeing, and I’m trying.
Also, if it makes you feel better, last game the fact that you were in jail was what made me want to lynch Titus over you.

I’ve yet to see a game where a scum didn’t try to at least get in another player’s good graces. Blab with Rubi last game, Fonti with Prophy the game before and so on. It’s a small thing, but it compounds.

…I apologize? I wasn’t insinuating you were lying about that.
I addressed the coasting/push-lynch bit before.

…Sigh. You know what really bugs me about the way you act? You treat everything anyone says as an absolute, and it’s really freaking annoying. It’s like stirring up a storm for no reason.
One more time: As far as I can tell, no one is Townfirming Rubicon. No one is letting him get away with anything. He was questioned about it, and just because I’m dismissing him right now, it doesn’t mean I’m incapable of changing my mind. Now stop acting like that’s the case.

I asked Rubicon why he played it the way he did, and the reasoning he gave wasn’t perfect, but I could sort of follow it. He also showed a previous Town game with a similar strategy (admittedly, I didn’t read it because the site was blocked at work, but he wouldn’t provide a link that shows him to be a liar), which at least indicates precedence.
Add to that the Fonti lynch and my reasoning behind it, I’ve decided I have more likely targets to focus on. It doesn’t mean I won’t be watching him and dismissing scummy behavior, it means for now, him being Town makes sense.

Plus this,

Is an excellent point in his favor, as he could have simply tried to push a different wagon.
He did have chance to vote for Maiden, as by then it had picked up relatively enough steam – though I doubt it would have gone through.

I can see that. I’m not sure what insight they provided in relevance to the game right now, you haven’t said that.
Also, and the protection question?

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@Snowvon

Post By Post Analysis.

…Er, I actually didn’t. Has that always been there? I could have sworn you originally hadn’t put anything in gender.
Wow, your mannerism and writing style is fairly feminine. o.o


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@Rubicon

I’m actually waiting for Proph to reply to the questions I asked of him on my last post. He could be scum, or he could…just not be making time for this game.
If it’s the latter, and I’m honestly getting the impression it is, he needs to rectify that or switch out. Either way, I’m not at the point where I feel like wasting a lynch on such circumstances.

Meet me IRL.

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…And that’s it. Maiden hasn’t said anything worth addressing or replying to that I can see. Seriously, 4 people?

@Lyrium, still waiting on everything I’ve been bringing up ever since Day started.

@Zennith¸answer. Your questions.

What is it with this game and players not answering questions? It’d be one thing if they hadn’t posted at all, but they have and simply ignored them.

They can’t all be scum, I’m still relatively certain Mathblade was scum, still on Citrus. Lyrium, Zennith, Sesc, hell, even Prophy…what the hell, this needs to change. -_-

Not even sure what to do about Sesc, he’s my third weakest scumread, but given what he said on his last post, and that I haven’t seen him lurking…
Mod, can you prod Sesc?

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I'm not seeing the logic of an NL being inherently scummy. /tilts head
Unless I'm missing something, all it does is delay the game by making only 1 death happen per Day/Night cycle. Feel free to explain.

Also, already talked about Prophy, not exactly high on my list until he answers.

 

Sesc has been prodded.

 

Citrus, some of the questions you ask throw me off. Why ask people to check their QTs for whether they were blackmailed or not? Why ask if scum could NK themselves?

Who did you blackmail?

Everyone who asked me a question, repeat it if you really think it was useful or I don't care. Some things are for my own thought process.


1. Rubicon - posting so active but can't get a clear read on. Seems too cautious.

2. Citrus - keeps pinging me weirdly and then does a townie post every so often. Spoke up more after I voted him yesterDay.

3. Sloth - Didn't read as scum to me which is why I asked Fonti to look at someone else. Could be really wily scum.

4. fontisian - NKed. Strong player with good reads, capable of making a mistake but usually very good. Trust her reads so far excepting two.

It wouldn't make sense for scum to kill one of their own, that strategy doesn't seem like a fonti!scum strategy so putting her as 99% Town.

5. Lyrium - blah, games are more fun when more then five people are posting.

6. MathBlade - Lynched D1. Had mafia experience (10-15 games?) but was derping a bit. 60% chance scum\40%chance town.

7. Prophylaxis - Seems sad\resigned? Usually is more active and bold as town. There was one post of his I liked.

8. Snowvon - Newbie. Does a lot of "this seems like sheeping so I don't know if I should do it" then does it. Kind of funny to see.

9. Zennith - Annoying and also active lurker so probably should be put down since has no reads on anyone except me and Maiden and is basically doing nothing.

10. Maiden, mentored by Bill Door - Pinged me as off in a few posts but newbie so giving the benefit of the doubt for the moment.

11. Sesc (replaced in) - Had one good post after waffling but then disappeared. Aligned with Zennith and against Prophylaxis?

12. Burkion (replaced in) - Newbie.

Maiden, if I were to die toDay whether via lynch or NK then I'd discuss with Fonti in the mason chat what her thoughts and sheep her. If she's not in the Mason chat then probably Rubicon.

If I had been a scum in this game I would have blackmailed a townie and make them post in song lyrics or use a gif in each post and put certain people's names in magenta. Most likely I'd blackmail Sloth.

In terms of alignments and possible scum teams, need to re-read once more and will post then.

 

Lyrium - any conclusions based on the vote counts you quoted?

 

Right now I admit I'm mostly hanging back and watching the discussions, but a large part of that is how I'm, obviously, just getting thrown into this. When D3 starts, I'll have a better idea of where I stand and where others possibly stand.

Right now most of the heat is on Mr. Orange, and I have nothing to reply to to Lyrium's list because...

Yeah, I'm the new guy!

How much longer til Night? I'm not quite on schedule with that yet.

 

Lyrium, mostly I've been reading this thread in my free moments of rehearsal - not enough time to really pound out a post. But here I am now.

ON CITRUS:

Keeps harping on this no-lynch idea when a no-lynch didn't even happen, and nobody ACTUALLY suggested that there should be a no-lynch. The option was put on the table, but nobody said we actively SHOULD no-lynch. This seems to me really like a bit of misdirection to me, getting us to focus (or trying to get us to focus) on something that's completely irrelevant to today and also attempting to pin it on Rubicon (who still seems towny to me). With this in mind, he's my highest scum read as well, although I stand by my thoughts on Lyrium being scum as well.


Sloth: I think you were asking about why reading Fonti as similar to Titus play would make him seem towny, not scum? The answer is, for that entire game, I thought Titus was town. If she had been, her style and analysis would have been excellent town play. It was this style and type of analysis that Fonti's posts reminded me of. Mostly meaning it reads as competent.

 

Sup. In your own words, what is the case for Citrus being scum and what are your own reasons for voting him?

 

I want to hear a better case from zennith also, because what he said feels very strongly like the bullshit type of cases he made during the scum game

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(his scum game)

 

@Lyrium

Kay. I’m asking for what feels like the third or fourth time. You better have something for me on your very next post.

Here’s all my questions, piled up:

(1) is, obviously, in regard to this:

Snow, Rubicon, and myself have been asking for you to explain what you meant by ‘mistake’ since you said you and you have ignored those questions. Did you really miss them from all 3 back-to-back? That’s really stretching my suspension of disbelief.
Also you promised an analysis on Fonti and to explain what was pinging to you, yet you make no mention of it aside from these two posts.
Except, of course, for the random vote tallies you posted which I assume were somehow related, but I won’t know until you explain. Btw, you’ve been asked to explain the tallies by several parties as well, which you’ve apparently also missed.

(2) I think you addressed, mostly on Maiden’s questions to you.

(3) Was in my first post D2:

You spent a lot of the beginning attacking her without voting, and not really explaining why, which I found suspicious.

(4) I mentioned this on #131’s responses section, regarding…

You’ve repeated the same questions and pushed us to go in circles with them, and you haven’t explained why.

(5) And, yeah, I’ve brought up that I like to hear why you randomly tried to start a Citrus lynch near D1’s Nightfall, when you were bringing up how there was very little support for anything but my lynch. Makes no sense.

And where’s your vote? You pointed fingers at Maiden (though you seem to be letting up now?) and at Citrus, and done nothing assertive. Why?

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@Zennith

It was actually Maiden that asked that, not me.
And now that you’ve answered, I can say that the question doesn’t really make sense as a scumtell, as Titus was SK, not scum, and thus was actively scumhunting (whether or not she did it well is up to you to decide), because she needed to kill them to win.
Tish was doing much of the same and in a game with no SK, finding her play similar to Titus can only mean you think she’s aggressive Town.

Here are the questions I want addressed:

This is important. Tell me what she did in D1 to justify this.

Also, address this.

Ok. Where’s your vote? Because it’s not in either despite what seems to be reasonable certainty.

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@Burkion

Day ends Monday, April 28, 2014, 10:30 AM PST, so we have a little under a day. There’s usually an updated countdown link on post #2.

While you’re answering Rubi’s question, also tell us who’s else is pinging for you, and why? Is Citrus your only suspect, or do you think you know who his possible scummates are?

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@Citrus
You haven’t really addressed what I said to you on my last post, but whatever, we’ve probably talked that out until we know more.

Do you still feel Rubicon is nigh-conf!Scum? As of now, unless he does something incredibly stupid, I’m ok with simply observing him for toDay, so he’s likely not getting lynched.

With that in mind, who else is pinging from you? You’ve focused on him almost entirely, so I’m not getting any impressions on your thoughts on anyone else. Who else is likely scum to you? And are they as part of a scumteam with Rubi, or unaligned pairs with him?

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I guess we keep waiting for Proph and Sesc.
The longer it passes, the more I think he’s not scum, he just doesn’t have the focus to play the game. I feel scum!Proph might be, to use Tish’s term, “more elegant.”
I guess we’ll see what he says. Either of them.

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Also, I have a bit of time now, so I'm going to go over Tish's posts and see what I can take away from them and her interactions. Watch it take me less than an hour and not almost 2 days with no response.
Yes, I'm talking to you, Lyrium. Hi there.

 

Prophylaxis has lurked his way through games as scum before. I wouldn't put it past him. I believe what he says about being distracted, but I don't think that makes him town.

What do you think about Citrus at this point? Part of me thinks his posts over the last page or two have seemed genuine. I feel like I might be biased though since he's focusing so much on me.

We need to start consolidating votes on a lynch.

Zennith, Prophylaxis would be my choices right now, + maybe Citrus.

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I think Zennith is the most likely scum here.

 

Sloth: "I guess it doesn’t much matter though, since I just didn’t want to do the work. Who did you vote for last game, again?"

@Sloth:
My votes for B&T: Fonti, ika, blab, Zennith, Moridin, Luckylee

I think the Fonti and ika votes were cast on D2 (because I missed most of D1). I think blab, Zennith, and Moridin were D3. (I'm not 100% on Moridin, but I do remember that it was when we lynched MathBlade, because I was against it, and I had refused to change my vote.) Luckylee was after he didn't shoot for the second Night in a row.

Now, what information do you hope to gain from all this?

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@Lyrium: Why would you choose to blackmail Sloth? Does that mean that he seems town to you?
I like your readwall, but can you add 'town, null, and/or scum to it'? I want something more concrete.

@Burkion: Other than Citrus, who's your next to highest scumread and why? Who are your top 2-3 townreads? I get that you're new, but I want more scumhunting from you. There's only one way to gain experience in this game and that's by PLAYING. So play.

To ask a question that Citrus asked earlier: @mods:is it possible to get Burkion a mentor?

@everyone: How much experience does Caligula have on this site?

@Rubicon: I agree with you about Citrus' posts seeming a bit more genuine toDay. I found him difficult to read last game, and the same is happening now. >.<;
What are your thoughts on Zennith? Why do you think that he's scum?

 

…ok, most of her posts are simply in response to me or to attack me. She really did keep D1 mostly focused on me. I’ll just skip past those.

On #18, Some pressure for Mathblade and Lyrium to interact, pushed Citrus about disclaimer.

First truly relevant thoughts were on #44, where she claims Rubicon's my teammate(?), doubtcasts Maiden, is unsure on Mathblade (though believes her unaligned to me, obv!scum), clears Snow and soft!Citrus, and calls Proph and Rubi useless.
She offers little to no explanation on these. Admittedly, most are self-explanatory, sort of.

On #69, this is where she brings up the fair possibility that either I’m scum, or one of the experienced players voting on me is bussing. This is also what I’m working with.
I agree with what she says on Proph, have established why I feel Rubicon is more likely Town given recent and past events, which leaves Citrus, who has had an abundance of reasons why he’s scum in my mind – I’m comfortable with that.
Calls Sesc out as scum.
Doubtcasts Zennith.
Nothing else new. Current rainwall (rainbow+wall. Get it? =D):

She goes on to display absolute certainty that Snow’s Town in her posts. I still don’t quite get that, but given that I’m looking away from him for the time being, it’s not that relevant.

Tried to switch to Maiden on the last hours, which did pick up some steam.
I really wish someone would give a case on her, I’ve asked and haven’t gotten any: I’m just not seeing it. Knowing her and knowing how she acts IRL maybe be giving me an advantage when it comes to reading her, or a disadvantage.

#230 brings interesting post about Rubicon, he did move his vote and called me Town. The first part is not a problem: His vote hadn’t been on me for a while anyway, so it’s not like it made a difference. The second part, I’m not sure why he’d bring that attention to himself as scum, and I like to think that if he called me Town is because I convinced him – I convinced a lot of people with that post.
He explained the No Lynch.
But. He didn’t push for others to vote for Mathblade much. That’s the more suspicious thing.

#250 has the most recent rainwall:

#264 has a curious bit where she quotes a line by Citrus and asks Rubicon “how could this come from scum?”
I don’t follow this at all – I mean, I agree the line is not a scumtell, but it’s not a towntell in the slightest. It’s just a line, any Town/Scum would give it. I’m not sure what point she was trying to make here.

On #266, she brought up a good point about Rubicon bussing at the last minute, but I think I countered that pretty decisively in #267, and in this post as well.

And that’s it.
Ugh. 50 posts, 80% revolving around me being scum – I really hope she widens her field next games.
Anyway, I’m trying to see what I can get from this analysis.

Let’s see…Conclusions:

Well first of all, Tish was definitely Town, 99%. It makes no sense for scum to target their own this early in the game, that should be a last resort to Townfirm one of them, and Fonti’s NK townfirms no one. Not to mention I’m still certain Mathblade was one of them, and if I’mright, shooting one of their own means they’re down to 1 scum by D2, and that’s insane, even for me.
This in turn means that her reads were done to the best of her ability and should be paid attention to – however I already know that she could be very wrong, so they’re not perfect.

There’s a reason she was NK’d. I mentioned this, and I mentioned why it temporarily clears Rubicon and Snow in my eyes. It wasn’t random like the past 2 games, it was tactical. …Honestly, there’s a good chance they just chose her because she’s a good player and were being careful. But I’m trying to find something in her posts that might have been the catalyst. There’s just so little info to work with. -__-

Ok, changes in reads was what allowed me to catch Blab last game…even though I gave that up, I had him, and it was only misinformation and confusion that dissuaded me. I’ll try not to let that happen this time.
So where do her reads change significantly between #69 and #250…
-Lyrium moves from strongest to weakest townread. I suppose this might give reasonably!new Lyrium a reason to kill her as scum, pre-emptively before Tish lowers her any further. Previous scumplay might indicate otherwise, but her play lately has not be stellar.
-Citrus is now the strongest Townread, even over Snow. Not a significant change, but I really wish Tish had lived one more Day to explain why this is. It makes no sense: I’ve read through D1 again and I still don’t see any justification for this.
-Rubicon is now lynchable. I’m not sure if he’s like…a nullread or something, unless Caligula was scum to Fonti. Fear-kill is possible, but unlikely, specially coupled with everything else.
-Maiden goes from third possible scum to fourth strongest Town. Good time to kill Fonti, I suppose, and it’s the only sort of argument I’ve seen yet. Given I haven’t seen any other scummy behavior, it’s just something to keep in mind.
-I myself move from strongest scum to third strongest Town. Same possibility as Maiden applies, but…no offense to Tish, but she definitely came out of yesterDay looking scummier than me with her unraveling after the Big Post. As scum, I wouldn’t need to kill her, I could just keep her around, mostly secure that Town could be turned against her.
-The rest don’t have significant changes.

Sigh, so all in all, I don’t really gain much from looking at Fonti.
Except some weak supporting evidence that Lyirum might be the third scum – seems to be between Zennith and her right now, waiting on responses.
Also the only accurate point I see against Maiden, which on its own I not enough for me.

So, all in all, I'm left still comfortable with a Citrus lynch, for now. We'll see what happens later.

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This is possibly true. However, I kinda don't get that impression for him right now - I actually agree with Tish' assessment. I want to see him post more.
Whatever his next post is, it'll most likely decide what I see him as. Either way, lynching him today doesn't really seem like the best use of our time, as we have more obvious targets basically everywhere.

I still see Citrus as the biggest scum, everything he has brought up, I feel I've more than successfully countered and it all keeps getting stronger against him in basically any post where I've addressed him. I won't be changing my vote unless something drastic happens.

I'm not seeing the authenticity, at least not in any strong way that is easily stomped down. Talk to me about where you see it.

As for Zennith, I'm basically trying to decide between him and Lyrium. Every second they don't answer the questions about them, is another second they look scummier to me. I'm watching them and waiting for something to shine true more decisively.
What are your thoughts on Lyrium? You haven't addressed her. What do you see her as and why?

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Mostly comparing your actual votes to Lyrium's argument about your votes. You didn't vote for Titus last game despite her constant pecking at you, and again, any vote cast toDay by you was before any scummy accusations - except, possibly, on Lyrium, and again, you've at least explained that, she hasn't.

He played in Avatar and was NK'd N2, I believe. Good analysis skills, horrible at explaining anything.

Rubicon, scratch my question about Citrus, do not answer it.
Maiden, where are YOU seeing Citrus' authenticity? Give examples. Show your work.

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Hm. Hold a tic, I just noticed something,

I suppose this could be a reason for scum!Rubicon to kill Fonti - get rid of a competent player, dissuade the possibility of a Fonti-Snow scumteam in my eyes, and turn my attention completely on Citrus.
There's no real supporting evidence for it, but it's a small possibility.
So, yeah, keeping an eye out for that.

 

citrus(2): sloth, birkon, Maiden
maiden(3): proplaxis
rubicon(1): cirtus
prophlaxis(1): snowvon, rubicon

 

...Ika, no offense, but you really need to be more careful and accurate with the vote tallies. They're kind of important. -__-

Actual Vote Count:

Lyrium hasn't even voted toDay.

 

Thanks for the extensive reads Sloth.

As for the questions you and others are asking me...don't have the relevant info or the time needed toDay to say anything more.

Still waiting on Citrus, Sesc, Prophylaxis, etc. to get back in.

About asking the same question more the once, not everyone answered or answered fully.

When I'm trying to confirm or revise my thought of someone, I question them. I put my vote where I think it will get some response.

At this point, its been a slow day and the only thing I can think is that Zennith still refuses to actually scum hunt or do anything productive.

There's not reason for town to be this cautious, we're all vanilla and if we die we get powers that help town. So people who are active lurking seem like cautious scum.

Citrus could be scum but he's got this weird mix of off posts and then really townie posts, I don't feel comfortable voting for him toDay.

Vote: Zennith

 

I have been tired and stressed, ty for it though. Its sometimes hard for me to sort though all the text to find votes so i have been trying to find a way to easily find them.

On another note: I will not be here for deadline. I will post final vote count when i get back.

any votes past deadline time will not count. I will have time to make one final vote count (maybe 4 hrs) before deadline so just a heads up

 

Wow, like 1 page in the past 24 hours?

I feel comfortable with a zennith lynch since noone is voting Rubicon (or answering why a no lynch was a good idea. Honestly)

vote: zennith

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Proph, you are dangerously close to entering scum-read territory for me. I expect good posts day 3

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So hard to bold on my phone. I'll be back later to post on my computer. The last post zennith made is very scummy.

1) accusation without a vote. Trying to no lynch? Also matches very directly how he played as scum in dresden, scarily similar actually

2) post has a tone of trying to please as opposed to scum hunting. He's looking for town cred with that post, not really pushing at all on me

 

I'm here and posting for the next couple of hours.

 

*eagerly awaits proph's posts*