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WiFom City: The Spirit Tunnels

Discussion in 'Little Italy' started by Titus, Apr 19, 2014.

  1. Cythare

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    Now that it's 4 to lynch, we should definitely not be blitzing. You say you're "open to a Prophy lynch", which sounds like you're on the fence about his alignment - how high would you rate your desire to lynch him as compared to your other scumspects, and what else aside from #443 factors into this?
     
  2. Lyrium

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    Cythare, he's in the middle of my list.

    This is only the second game I've played with Prophylaxis. In the last game he was very active town, leading lynches. His first post in this game was a joke post to me. After that, I'm not sure.

    In the post I found odd, he's once again bringing up the past instead of moving forward or even analyzing the past to help move forward. I'm waiting on him to "solve the game" as he stated although I think the only players who are conf!town and thus their reads actually carry some weight are the NKed ones.

    I'd prefer a Zennith lynch toDay. He's higher on my scum list. I'm not putting my vote on to avoid any early ends to day in case some of the afk people show up but that's where my vote is at and will remain unless a mountain topples over.
     
  3. Burkion

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    OK I've thought on it long and hard, and I have to say, the one who most likely comes off as Scum to me?

    Zennith is 99% but he STILL hasn't replied yet.

    So it's Cythare. That might seem a bit strange considering he's just joined in and all, but I have reasons behind it.

    First and foremost, who he is replacing, Sesc. Sesc registered pretty high on the Scum O Meter for a number of his posts as many people pointed out, before he vanished. Cythare joins in his place, in his role, and the first thing he starts to do is kicking up dirt all over the place, in a very official kind of manner. But the way he dogged after Maiden seemed a bit too hard for me-nothing in Maiden's posts is all that Scummy, it's almost like he's trying to build up discourse and mislead.

    He stated himself he is experienced at the game, and hasn't been around long enough to slip up in any major way, and you might point to him labeling Zennith as a Scum as evidence against it-except that if Zennith IS a scum, he's a pretty awful one that everyone is turning against.

    Couple that with the baggage he inherits from Sesc, I feel extremely strongly that we should Lynch Cythare.

    VOTE CYTHARE
     
  4. Zennith

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    So, I'm probably lynched today. Reading back through this thread, I don't think there's anything I can do to stop it. I'm a vanilla town, so I suppose there are certainly worse places to lynch. In acceptance of this outcome, I'm going to just scumhunt and not defend myself. I know I'm dead, it happens. Also, I have work, so after this post it'll be a few hours before I can post again.


    So. Burkion. I have a question. I think you slipped in this post, and I'd like you to explain it. Yes, you're new, but that makes me even more prone to believing that this was a TRUE slip. You just called me town. Nobody believes me to be town. Yes, you call me unhelpful and later you say I should be lynched, but you calling me town here implies a certain knowledge of who is and isn't town. The only way you'd have that knowledge is if you yourself were scum. Just a thought.

    I find myself agreeing with Lyrium about Proph, which distresses me, because I still read Lyrium mostly as scum. But if things keep going this way with Proph, I may have to change my mind.
     
  5. Burkion

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    That was mostly just me not specifying that if you WERE a Town, you would be unhelpful. You can take it for whatever you want, it was a mistake and that's about all there is to it.

    And you really do need to reply to Sloth's question, Zennith. I'm very curious to hear your reply.

    ---------- Post automerged at 12:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:43 PM ----------

    To clarify again, it was a mistake as far as implying you were a straight up Townie. I can't say for certain either way-I believe the opposite, myself.
     
  6. Zennith

    Zennith Pebble Wrestler ~ Prestige ~

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    I don't believe you.
     
  7. Burkion

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    That's fine.

    ---------- Post automerged at 12:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:49 PM ----------

    Also reply to SLoth's question please. It's been waiting.
     
  8. Cythare

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    No. Giving reads upon replacing is just the responsible thing to do, IMO. We don't know how many scum are left, so why shouldn't I pursue as many angles as possible? I'm not interested in just tunneling one person.

    I'm trying to build up discourse, yes - because helps the town and engendering discussion is the best way to nail down scum.

    Zennith: Please respond to my questions when you get a chance.
     
  9. Burkion

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    Well that's one thing we agree on Cyth-Zen really needs to answer some questions.
     
  10. Lyrium

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    "Alive: Burkion, Cythare, Lyrium, Maiden, Prophylaxis, Snowvon, Zennith"

    Burkion - While the rule that I read somewhere is that % of replacements are scum, that was Sesc and this is Cythare. Sesc was being all emo and Cythare is trying at least. I'd probably always prefer to kill the quiet ones over an active player. Just to make a point.

    On Burkion himself - he's a bit hesitant\cautious. There's also the "Event That Must Not Be Named" until post game.


    Cythare - Seems more experienced and gives reads with post numbers, fancy and meticulous. Will have to go back and find the post numbers to see whether I disagree\agree with his assessments.

    Maiden - AWOL. Needs to be prodded by mods. No unicorns will be sacrificed, dear maiden. Or maybe they will be, Idk.

    Prophylaxis - "Will be solving the game in a second, just hold on.." Still waiting but pretty sure Prophylaxis should be the next lynch.

    Snowvon - Also a bit quiet, cautious. Asked a mechanics question. Needs to update his reads\general thoughts.

    Zennith - So glad to hear that RL is going hot for you right now. I've enjoyed being your number one scum read this game since it made me feel like I was doing something right.

    Vote: Zennith

    ---------- Post automerged at 05:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:16 PM ----------

    P.S. Zennith, what do you think of Cythare? His reads? Any thoughts?
     
  11. Vaimes

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    Proph is really the only person I feel confident lynching. I know Zennith has been the lynch of choice for a while now; I'll vote for him if we need to move the game along.

    I've been entertaining the idea that Lyrium is scum. She's been overly vocal about how much they suck, and it feels really forced. This isn't something I want to pursue toDay, especially if no one else is suspecting her. It's more of a in-the-back-of-my-mind possibility than actual suspicion.

    @Lyrium: Did you ever mention what the "mistake" was that scum made? Sorry if I missed it.

    I'd be more inclined to go through the posts of people I'm scumreading if this site's ISO function was less shitty. Next time I'll take notes as I go.
     
  12. Burkion

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    OK, I'm likely dead either way it goes. Fairly certain the Scum know who I am, so I'll play my hand because I want this information out there.

    I am the Spirit Tracker, and last night the spirits watched Rubicon. He visited no one-and was visited by Cythare.

    This is part of why I was quieter, on top of real life issues, the day before-I was mostly waiting for more information in that fashion.

    We Townies are fast losing ground to the Scum and as obvious a target as Zennith is, Cythare is the one I have the proof against.

    I'm not going to invoke any protection or any such thing-I leave that to my successor, whoever you may be. May your fortune be better than mine.

    If I'm still alive come the next day, color me surprised.
     
  13. Lyrium

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    Snowvon, make a case against Prophylaxis. Analyze and dissect him like a specimen on a table.

    How does my answering that question (which I have already answered in an indirect manner) help you determine my alignment?

    Ask a forward moving question rather then fixating on the past. Or you know pin my wings to the table and bring out the drill :)

    This is my "filter some stuff out" before pressing reply mode since there were crybabies in this game so the forced part is having to tone it down for ya'll babies.

    Also, do you not agree that scum are the worst? Like seriously, why so defensive over my calling scum little teeny tiny fucks?

    ---------- Post automerged at 05:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:56 PM ----------

    Ninajed by Burkion, going through it now.

    ---------- Post automerged at 06:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:56 PM ----------

    Burkion, you replaced Caligula. Do you know if you were a Spirit Tracker from the beginning?

    I'm trying to figure out if you are the ST from the beginning or you received this power after the first ST died?

    I thought Citrus was dropping hints that he was the ST at one point so trying to figure out that mess.

    Also, if that's the case then lynching Cythare is a good idea today.

    Now I need to go over everything Sesc said and then Cythare and figure out what the common is in terms of who they attacked and who they defended.

    Also thank you for sharing. Even if all the dead so far are townies (I think at least one is scum though), we don't have enough for the Vengeful Ghosts who (updated in the faq) could jail you and thus prevent NK.

    Fuck.
     
  14. Burkion

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    As far as I can tell I, and I would have to assume Calig, were the ST from the start. There is no mention of me being the second, and more over I was ST since I replaced Calig, before Citrus was lynched.

    This is all I know, and I figured I was going to get killed tonight anyways with certain things. So yes, please, if only to retroactively avenge me

    VOTE CYTHARE
     
  15. ika

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    Votecount:

    (7 players alive, 4 votes required to lynch)

    Not voting(5): Cythare, Maiden, Prophylaxis, Snowvon, Zennith

    Cythare(1): Burkion

    Zennith(1): Lyrium
     
  16. Lyrium

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    Snowvon, thoughts?

    I want to take Burkion at his word. I really really do.

    However, I also like to keep the 25% chance that he's actually a desperate scum trying to get the Spirit Tracker to reveal.

    Or to save Zennith from being lynched for another day.

    Sesc, Maiden, Sloth, Zennith
    Cluster together somehow in my head.

    Prophylaxis, this works well with your rainbows quite a lot. So either you're prescient or one of these things are wrong.

    If Cythare is scum then why would he place Zennith as his highest scum read? Maiden as well?

    Prophylaxis and Cythare giving same\similar reads. Focus on Zennith\Maiden as scum or should be lynched.

    Burkion reads Zennith\Maiden as town.

    Therefore, FML.

    ---------- Post automerged at 07:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:09 PM ----------

    We have 2 days 4 hours to do this (thanks blab for the time thing)

    http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=May+2,+2014,+9:00+PM+PST

    Even if this turns into an even more of a mess then it already is, we can try more?

    Mods can you PM the other people still alive and threaten them a little?

    7 living players, even if 3 (worst case scenario) are scum then that leaves 4 town that need to coordinate.

    Previous post was based on a speed read, will go over a bit more slowly for tomorrow.
     
  17. Burkion

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    Isn't there some kind of way for me to confirm I'm the ST?

    Anywho, I actually think Zennith might be scum-Maiden is the one I think is Town.

    I just KNOW what Cyth is.
     
  18. Cythare

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    Lol no.

    Nice try, but I'm the Spirit Tracker, and have been since the beginning of the game.

    After replacing in, I was informed that the spirits had watched Maiden, and that she visited no one and was visited by no one.

    Up until now, I was pretty sure that at least one scum had been lynched (MathBlade), but at this point, I'm 100% convinced that the scum team is Burkion/Zennith/Maiden, which means we are in LyLo. If any scum were previously lynched, it wouldn't make sense to run this kind of gambit - it would be a 1-for-1 trade - but if it were LyLo, there would be little risk if they could convince one Townie to join them on the wagon, as it would be game over.

    In his post where he claimed Spirit Tracker, Burkion also busses one of his scumbuddies (Zennith), while distancing himself from the other (Maiden). He doesn't reference anything specific about Maiden's play that is Townie, but rather attempts to discredit me by simply saying "nothing in Maiden's posts is all that Scummy", leaving him the opening to revisit this as necessary. His bus of Zennith is in a similar vein - still leaving him an opening to say "oh, maybe he was just a bad Townie" if things start to move in a different direction.

    Burkion's townread of Maiden also lines up with what I was informed of. If he knew Maiden didn't perform a kill, it would be safe to townread her and he hasn't been able to point to specific townie things she did.

    The interaction between Zennith and Burkion between #464 and #467 also reads to me like a really awkward distancing act, and doesn't look at all natural to me.

    Vote Burkion

    I was previously sold on a Zennith or Maiden lynch toDay based on reads, but this is a stronger lynch, and you guys can revisit Zennith/Maiden toMorrow.

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    We also still have two days and change, so we aren't in a hurry.
     
  19. Lyrium

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    I wonder what happens if we lynch neither Cythare\Kesha or Burkion\NoAvatarYetPleaseGetOne
    then what happens.

    How do both of you alleged ST's (well one ST and one STI) feel about lynching someone other then each other. Who should we lynch if we weren't lynching either of you?

    ---------- Post automerged at 08:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:05 PM ----------

    Mods: QT Questions pretty please
     
  20. Burkion

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    See what's funny is that you only begin to actually suspect me for anything, even after I started questioning and prodding, after I brought this up. So, uh, A plus there Cy.

    The fact that I got a result last Night means that there were at least 3 dead Townies before Rubicon died. THIS MEANS MATHBLADE, FONTISIAN AND CITRUS ARE CONFTOWN.
    Worse, it means there are 3 scum still alive: Cyntha and 2 others.
    THIS MEANS THE GAME IS AT MYLO:
    D/N 3: 4 Towns vs 3 scum
    - 1 ML - 1 NK
    D/N 4: 2 Towns vs 3 Scum

    If you Townies do not trust me, you can lynch me-but please lynch Cythare FIRST.

    We will lose this if we do not act quickly.

    Zennith is MOST LIKELY SCUM. I'm not sure who the third is, but I'm almost certain Zennith is the second.

    ---------- Post automerged at 07:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:23 PM ----------

    Cy is the one I know is Scum. Zennith I'm almost positive about-otherwise, as I have said, he's a really awful Townie.

    So if you want an option for some one to lynch that is neither me or Cy, it is Zen.

    No matter how it goes I'm dead come the next sunrise.