what confused you?
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There's a world of difference between arguing "Probability isn't in town's favor so do nothing D1 and see what happens" and "Probability isn't in town's favor so I think we should be looking for the lone partner first"

 

So vaimes first scumread me for voting an easy to justify slot (despite him also finding cobalt scummy) and "seemlessly" transitioned to scumreading me for keeping my vote on him as he... tries to wagon a member of my towncore for weak reasons while ignoring his own very small sloth buddy poe.

Sure ill take what vaimes is doing over jari today (yknow, playing), but nothing today is making me waver too much on my 6 townreads, and i still want to wait on poof/keldeo for other reasons.

So yeah i like vaimes/jari wagons.
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Mendels hard on for trying to get *blood from a stone/info from night actions* seems super stupid to me but i think its towny
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It started me in the right direction i think, but in retrospect i should have pushed sloth for that convo. I think townsloth acknowledges that manipulating people is part of the game and scumsloth was trying too hard to appear innocent there.

 

Oh?

 

Yes youre pushing terraine for making a post you say town makes all the time... and following it up with another question.

You also shaded cerber for votes after calling him town.
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Which is nice actually. I was worried for a sec when cerber said he was sheeping me and mendel and moved you up his readslist

 

Yeah, that’s for sure what happened.

I don’t know what you mean by “shaded for votes.” I did think it was funny that he changed his voting syntax to the way Sloth does it.
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I get the feeling that tom is deliberately misrepresenting my case.

If the second scumteam is tom/Ter then I want a prize.

 

How am i misrepresnting you? You think its weird terrain added a question about the second scumteam. I think you also said tone but thats not any less weak.

And you were talking about vote formatting not votes for cerber? Lol

And yes i believe my viable partners to be terraine, mendel, cerber, and fluff. With tammy and poof as "always possible" just on familiarity/skill/wackiness

 

Spoiler: Vaimes's case on TerRaine

Ok, did I catch the whole case in my spoiler there? I will concede that Tom's summary is shaded, but factually accurate. Or am I missing something? Maybe you should simply restate your case.

The answer was actually just a few posts down from the "quip" in question, and so was TerRaine's acknowledgement of it.

You're clearing Jarizok here, yes? Have you cleared CerberAsta yet?

Please elaborate on this.

You don't know what you're going to get unless you try. (At least, I don't.)

 

"Shady but factually accurate" is the sweet spot.

 

Let's look at Vaimes's POE for Sloth's scum-mate:

Cross Jarizok off, what I'm left with is a choice between CerberAsta (my tunnelvision(tm) read) and Vaimes himself. No wonder Vaimes starts hunting for the other team. TMI can bite you in the ass like that.

Vote Vaimes
today and TerRaine tomorrow?

 

Moderator Note:

Upon reflection/seeking outside council, I've elected to not give an extension due to holiday. Day ends in:

1 day 4 hours. (click for exact timer, up to date)

 

Im at vaimes>poof>>jari>>>>keldeo for sloth partner.

 

I'm gonna see how far each wagon gets, but this has been interesting. I don't necessarily want to switch my vote yet, though m'definitely open to it.

 

Oh goodie, more stuff to look forward to after work.

Okay, this is stupid. I do know how to lie as scum, and implying that I backed myself into a corner by clearing almost everyone else is pretty insulting.
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The way tom phrases it (“Vaimes is attacking Ter for something he says villagers do all the time”) is almost purposefully surface level and yes, a misrepresentation. And not even actually getting to what pinged me.

Ter tried to get fluff to back off, and demonstrated she didn’t care about his alignment. I don’t believe for a second that she asked him that question with the intent to use fluff’s response to gamesolve.

I scanned fluff’s and Ter’s ISO and didn’t see any continuation but I’ll look for myself later.
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To be clear, the “quip” is Ter’s “not what I asked,” not the original Who Are All The Scum post.
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Rephrase? I’m talking about Sloth in that post.

 

Ah, ok, no, I don't think there's a follow-up. It looks to me like fluff didn't take the question seriously. But maybe @his fluffiness can explain what happened in #108?

Yes. You're saying that Sloth thinks TerRaine is scum, and then he sets up a conditional read in #194 where Jarizok is scum if TerRaine is. So if Sloth actually asserts his authority, and lynches TerRaine, then Jarizok gets lynched the next day. This makes him quite unlikely to be Sloth's partner, don't you think?
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I don't need to imply that you backed yourself into a corner, it's apparent that you did.
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And I regret if you feel insulted, that wasn't my intention at all.

 

And I didn’t lie and leave more options open because _________?

I can’t take a push seriously when it relies on the pushee being a moron.
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I’ll have to look at this conditional thing later, I obviously haven’t gotten very far.
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I’m trying to provide reads and thoughts despite not having the benefit of having read every post. If I’m missing something re: Jarizok being ruled out for a reason I haven’t gotten to, then there’s probably issues with the whole list. So acting like it’s a final product and being like “oh, Vaimes went and trapped himself because scum role PMs disconnect his brain” is just making me go ???

 

We all make mistakes, no matter how smart we are. Errare humanum est.
"I don't make mistakes" is a poor defense.

 

Given her question was effectively "Name all the scum and the teams they're split into" no, I didn't take her question seriously. I decided to reiterate why I thought she was scum because her question was dumb.

 

The only absolute is that Tammy is basically always town and Mendel is very unlikely to be a Sloth partner. Anything else is based only on the first 100 posts and some skimming I did of EoD1.
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Okay but that’s a pretty obvious one. It’s like being in LyLo and clearing all the villagers.
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Like I don’t know how to explain that ruling out Too Many People as scum isn’t a mistake, it’s self-sabotage.

I know how many players are in the game, I can do “okay I need x many lunch options” math.
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The real irony is that I’m being pushed for not considering how many people I cleared and how it makes me look, which suggests that I don’t care because I’m not mafia.

Which is somehow less likely than “lol Vaimes is a derp.”

 

Ill give you "reductive" but not misrep. That is what youre saying. Inferring that she doesnt care about his alignment because she asked for his reads.

 

Also the way that you’re pushing this, there is no defense to be made. So...
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You’re doing it again.