Kai was going to be townfirmed toDay if he didn't concede, since he will always be forced to activate and cannot win as the last witch.

A townread scum Survivalist bussing their entire team and triggering Last Stand with an extra life is a really good strategy. The issue here is that I'm town, Regfan is townfirmed, and I flat-out don't think Cobalt is a witch. Scumreading him feels like shoving a square peg in a round hole.

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The point with Kai being the last witch already knows he's town, and they know he cannot be mislynched and would potentially LC them, so he was an obvious NK.

 

Not in an eighteen person game. Bussing is fine when it’s like twelve people and there’s less time to consider options, but townreads don’t last.

Kai wasn’t going to Leeroy me. If I were scum, him alive would be my ticket to victory because he’d Leeroy Cobalt no matter what we said.

Vaimes, can you give me some games?

 

Wow.

Goddamn.

I'm in F4 with my townclear and two people I was convinced were the most town for the entire game.

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When the fuck was my last towngame?

I don't even know.

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I MEAN....

this is a pretty compelling point, but like

I feel like I should trust Regfan on this one.

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I haven't played many games in the last year but here I was scum and my whole team got riggedy rekt by day 2 and I kind of just... bullshitted my way to F3.

https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=33371

 

Now I understand how Delphine and Miner feel.

 

Lol

Listen

I was at Vaimes' throat yesterday but like

The only way to mechanically win if you're scum here is to absolutely get rid of your vest toDay.

Regfan is definitely going to be a shot. He was probably haunted, so there's that. If he was haunted, angels should absolutely lock protection on both myself and Vaimes if they still have their double.

The other target would either be Vaimes or myself, so angels will have to wine it if you're scum.

If we manage to live to F3, (which lol an F3 of Vaimes / Vira / Cobalt is my worst fucking nightmare) the real decision will occur.

If Vaimes is the last witch, we win by lynching him today. But if it's you, our ONLY shot is to make it to F3. At which point, we could still win if it's Vaimes.

It's a risky gamble but I think making it to F3 is the only chance we have.

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And I mean

Reg's post yesterday was super compelling.

What have you even DONE the last few phases other than drop one liners and seem absolutely complacent with how the gamestate was going?

Vaimes has been freaking out and trying to actually piece together the game.

I think you've gotten really far by doing some INCREDIBLE scum work like faking dumbtells and bussing in all the right places. But I changed my mind. I'm not willing to lose to you if you're scum.

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Vaimes

listen buddy

I want you to tell me with 100% certainty that you're town. Give me reasons why. Townreading me isn't enough to make me feel safe about you. Make me feel SAFE.

If we go ride or die here on Vira, and you're the last witch, I'll never trust you at face value again. Take that gamble if you're a witch if you must, but if you're town, CONVINCE ME.

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I mean, Vaimes is never lynching me and I'm pretty sure Vira is never lynching me because my townclear is sitting in F4 and if I were a witch that'd be pretty fucking stupid

So it's pretty much us making the decision about Vaimes or Vira and though Reg's process hasn't been the best for the whole game, it was logical and sound and I think I should listen to him here.

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IF Vira is actually town here, we can still win in F3 if she makes some kind of miraculous case for herself.

Either way, I think the only way to do this is to proceed to F3 by lynching Vira's vest. Because if we lynch Vaimes and it's a miss, we very likely lose right away.

We COULD still lose if Vira lands both kills, but it's less likely than if Vaimes is a miss. Because if Vaimes is a miss she only needs one kill for the win.

 

Still reading your game, Cobalt.

Reg is the Gambler. He can’t be Night Killed N8.

Nothing.

I’m sorry, I should have done more.

But I thought the game would end and then it didn’t, and just no.

There’s no excuse for not participating. Even if it was the end, I should have at least tried.

I don’t town to lose the game because of me.

I’m making a long post now. It’ll be posted soon.

 

Let me talk myself through it because I did that with Delphine / Miner and it may have been wrong but the logic was sound.

1.1 Vaimes is a witch
- We lynch Vira's vest
- He probably kills Vira + Regfan for a victory, if Reg was haunted and angels think Vira is the last witch
- If we make it to F3 of Cobalt / Vaimes / Vira, has a strong chance of pocketing me for a win, but it's still a tossup. Risky.

1.2 Vaimes is a witch
- We lynch Vaimes. Game over.

2. Vira is a witch
- We lynch Vira's vest
- Regfan dies, and one of Vaimes / Cobalt is targeted. Angels MUST save the right one in order for us to not lose.
- F3 of Vaimes / Vira / Cobalt. Tossup.

Either way Regfan was most likely haunted last night and so F3 will almost ALWAYS be Vaimes / Vira / Cobalt and that actually just gave me cancer.

I hate this game.

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O SHIT LMAO

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YESSS PLEASE KILL ME VAIMES OR VIRA I'M THE ONLY VIABLE NIGHT KILL TARGET FOR N8 AND THEN IT'S NOT ON ME TO WIN THIS GAME

PRAISE JESUS THANK THE LORDT

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I mean

Okay, I can see this because like, I kind of did the same thing, I dropped off when I was pretty certain we were going to win after it was confirmed that 3 witches were dead

But like, I did a lot of world examination and listing off what would happen in each situation and like I feel as town, being universally townread, you were in an equally good position to do those things because people trusted you and would listen to you.

You just .... didn't. I know it's frustrating if you're town and you feel like it's your fault if we lose now, but like, what else are we supposed to think?

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So F3 is now Regfan, Vira, Vaimes if we lynch Vira's vest toDay.

Which I think is always the route we have to take.

Though, I don't think Reg is gonna change his mind on Vira. But I URGE you, Regfan, to really consider things and take a long time to place Vaimes on the scumteam and go through the thread and see if it works.

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We know the scumteam is 100% Owner / Koalas / Rubicon / Jarizok / Vaimes or Owner / Koalas / Rubicon / Jarizok / Vira.

We have to go through this thread with a fine-toothed comb because ONE of these fits perfectly, and the other one fits not quite as perfectly. We're at the point in the game where we have to solve based on an exact team so we're actually at an advantage here.

 

Just dumping my votals. Some are probably slightly wrong but I wasn’t trained for it, so whatever.

Day One.
Miner [4]: Fontisian, Vaimes, Regfan, Cobalt
Fable [3]: Jarizok, Waco, Rubicon
Regfan [3]: Jan, Atum, Vira
Jarizok [2]: Owner, KaiDASH
Fluffiness [1]: Delphine
Fontisian [1]: Miner
Jan [1]: Fluffiness
Owner [1]: Newcomb
Rubicon [1]: Fable
Abstaining [1]: Koalas

Day One, Pre-Delphine Claim.
Miner [6]: Fontisian, Regfan, Cobalt, Rubicon, Vira, Vaimes,
Rubicon [3]: Fable, Delphine, His Fluffiness
Fable [2]: Jarizok, Waco,
Owner [1]: Newcomb,
Jarizok [2]: Owner, KaiDASH
Regfan [2]: Jan, Atum
Fontisian [1]: Miner
Abstaining [1]: Koalas


Day Two.
Kalas (11) - Vira, Miner, Fontisian, Vaimes, Newcomb, Rubicon, Jarizok, Waco, Regfan, Cobalt, Fluff.
Waco (2) - Kalas, KaiDASH.
Fonti (1) - Fable.
Not Voting (2) - Atum, Delphine.

Day Two, Post-Kalas.
Rubicon [4] - Vaimes, Font, Fable, Vira.
Atum [2] - Reg, Cobalt.
Reg [2] - Atum.
Font [1] - Rubicon.
Not Voting [6] - Delphine, Fluff, Jari, Miner, Newcomb, Waco.

Rubicon [5] - Vaimes, Font, Fable, Vira, Miner.
Atum [3] - Reg, Cobalt, Jari.
Reg [2] - Atum.
Font [1] - Rubicon.
Not Voting [4] - Delphine, Fluff, Newcomb, Waco.

Rubicon [5] - Vaimes, Font, Fable, Vira, Miner.
Atum [4] - Reg, Cobalt, Jari, Newcomb.
Reg [2] - Atum.
Jari [1] - Rubicon.
Not Voting [4] - Delphine, Fluff, Waco.

Atum [6] - Reg, Cobalt, Jari, Newcomb, Fable, Kai.
Jari [3] - Rubicon, Atum, Font.
Rubicon [3] - Vaimes, Vira, Miner.
Not Voting [3] - Delphine, Fluff, Waco.

Atum [7] - Reg, Cobalt, Jari, Newcomb, Kai, Font, Fluff.
Rubicon [4] - Vaimes, Vira, Miner, Fable.
Jari [2] - Rubicon, Atum.
Not Voting [2] - Delphine, Waco.

Atum [8] - Reg, Cobalt, Jari, Newcomb, Kai, Font, Fluff, Waco.
Rubicon [4] - Vaimes, Vira, Miner, Fable.
Jari [2] - Rubicon, Atum.
Not Voting [3] - Delphine.


Day Three.
Rubicon [6] - Vira, Vaimes, Fluff, Miner, Fable, Cobalt.
Waco [3] - Newcomb, Kai, Delphine.
Delphine [1] - Reg.
Not Voting [4] - Font, Jari, Rubicon, Waco.

Waco [6] - Newcomb, Kai, Rubicon, Font, Reg, Delphine.
Rubicon [5] - Miner, Vira, Fable, Fluff, Cobalt.
Not Voting [3] - Jari, Vaimes, Waco.

Rubicon [8] - Miner, Vira, Fable, Fluff, Cobalt, Font, Waco, Vaimes.
Waco [5] - Newcomb, Kai, Rubicon, Reg, Delphine.
Not Voting [1] - Jari.

Rubicon [8] - Miner, Vira, Fable, Fluff, Cobalt, Font, Vaimes, Newcomb.
Waco [4] - Kai, Rubicon, Reg, Delphine.
Not Voting [2] - Jari.

Rubicon [10] - Miner, Vira, Fable, Fluff, Cobalt, Font, Waco, Vaimes, Newcomb, Reg.
Waco [3] - Kai, Rubicon, Delphine.
Not Voting [1] - Jari.


Day Four.
Jari [3] - Vira, Fable, Miner.
Vira [2] - Kai, Vaimes.
Delphine [1] - Reg.
Not Voting [5]: Cobalt, Delphine, Font, Jari, Newcomb.

Delphine [5] - Regfan, KaiDASH, Jarizok, Cobalt, Newcomb.
Jari [4] - Vira, Fable, Miner, Delphine.
Vira [1] - Vaimes.
Abstanining [1] - Fontisian.


Need to find D1 EOD Votal, and maybe D5 and D6 Votals if they exist.

(And if I didn't do them, they don't).

Also found this while getting my votals:

Cassandra all along???

 

wait lmao

when Vaimes and Vira vote together all game on the witches so you can't tell if one of them is bussing or not

and when Vira pegs a potential exact scumteam on D2...

I don't think in a world of Owner / Koalas / Rubicon / Jarizok / Vira that Vira EVER drops 4/5 of her scumteam in a read

like

that's just

what?

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God damn

That's the most compelling piece of evidence in this game imo

like

In what universe does Vira peg all 4 of her teammates that early

It's just not a thing that happens.

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I think Vaimes' flip on me could be a complacency thing to get me to cooperate on Vira.

The way Vaimes relented here and started proposing alternate worlds is what REALLY pinged me about him and made me go off on him last phase.

Because, like, the more he could stall Jarizok's lynch, the easier the win would be for him.


At one point I said something about Vaimes aiming for a F3 of Me / Vaimes / Kai to clinch me being blown up, and Vira corrected me.

What does she stand to gain from easing that particular worry I had? Why not just let me think that's what Vaimes is trying to do if she's a witch?

I just.

Also, like. The "fake" scumclaim here could ABSOLUTELY be a real one - I could see Vaimes gloating in postgame if he wins about how "I said I was Jarizok's partner but you didn't do anything about it."

I know I goaded him into this but it absolutely could be a real troll.

"Let's talk things out" = "let's see if I can manage to get people to consensus on a target other than Jarizok"

Honestly.

And this is the biggest thing for me.

I don't think Vaimes was trying super hard to scumread me here. If he's town, this isn't a read he just... drops, and suddenly turns into reading me scum as "trying to fit a square peg into a round hole".

Vira has shown the most consistency. Whether or not she could be bussing to oblivion the ENTIRE GAME.... I just find it hard to believe she 1. fakes multiple dumb tells, 2. becomes universally townread by every strong town player in the game, 3. pegs a scumteam of Owner / Koalas / Rubicon / Jarizok / Vaimes EVER if it's her instead of Vaimes

Vaimes is the one who hasn't been consistent. Just his read on me alone is enough. Now that it's the last thing he needs to win, he's turning it around just to make me feel better. And I don't like it.

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Like, I changed my mind.

I will GLADLY lose this game if, on a team of Owner / Koalas / Rubicon / Jarizok / Vira, she claims a team of Owner / Koalas / Rubicon / Jarizok / Vaimes on Day 2, in the EXACT ORDER IN WHICH THEY DIE.

That's some Twilight-zone, GOAT-level shit.

If Vira is a witch here she's GOAT. For damn sure.

Lynching Vaimes clinches it.

Lynch: Vaimes
Regfan

We listened to you when it was Delphine / Miner. I know you're townreading Vaimes but just. Go with me on this. For everything we've done this game. Please?

 

Read Cobalt’s scumgame. He’s town (surprise surprise).

In the scum game he linked, he was as bombastic, but less emotional. Newcomb called him someone with zero care or fear, and Cobalt had a flippant attitude and was touch and go. This Cobalt is not like that. Maybe I was seduced by his Absol avatar (I’m sure many have fallen for less), but this Cobalt is emotional, driven, and in-tune with the game unlike the other Cobalt.

Please go sit on the bench with Reg. There’s donuts.

Vote: Vaimes.

You never gave me a game, but whatever, it’s over.

Think back to yesterDay, such a fine Day where we lynched scum. Your stated mislynch target at EOD was Cobalt/Kai, but that’s a game-losing move. Even if the same Night kills occurred and we mislynched Cobalt, angels got my back and you can’t shoot Reg. We’d have lynched you D9.

Then after Reg’s Vira post and on the next Day, you do a backflip on me. Why?

There is bussing and there is BUSSING. I bussed in Hannibal mafia like I was at the Bussing Championships because both of my scummates went AWOL on D1. There is no reason to bus here, much less four times.

“But, Vira, Last Stand!!!”

Who the fuck cares. Angels exist for a reason. And are you seriously telling me the scumteam came into this game sacrificing themselves just so one scum could take all the responsibility and an extra kill?

Two paths exist.

1. Vaimes is lynched. Town wins and can, I dunno, build a farm somewhere.
2. My vest is cruelly torn from my shoulders, and burned and ripped apart in front of me. Vaimes leers at me in the distance. Jan’s head is in his hands, halo eschew. We go into Night. Vaimes can’t kill Reg, but since I’m 100% protectable unless angels and demons were doing acid, I’m protected and Cobalt is killed. I’m now stuck talking Reg down from the edge.

Don't make me be responsible for Scenario Two.

Lynch Vaimes. Win the game.

Regfan.

Explain to me your townread on Vaimes.

 

My laptop stopped working last night, will be trying to fix it when I get home from work but managed to salvage a post I was working on when rereading l the first ~1700 posts of the game; regardless of who the last scum is here they did heavily buss as all 3 of you had 3+ of the scum team inside your scum reads.

Cobalt here's what I typed up about Vaimes in that post, would like your thoughts on it and I'll get around to reading and responding to the last ~30 posts shortly;


1. Vaimes interaction with Rubicon inside the early game in regards to Rubicons read on me starting from #147 -> #154 -> #156 -> #157 doesn't particularly read like W/W interactions and it proceeding from there to Rubicon stating "You managed to clear yourself in like 3 posts, no wonder you have trouble winning as mafia." inside #180 and Vaimes posting "Which three? I need to study my meta 2 minutes later while Newcombs around with Rubicon coming back with an answer in #191 is something I don't see happening between partners here. It's a play that I don't think Vaimes would want to be doing as scum nor do I think he'd able to pull it off as genuinely as it transpired. It's a pretty strong point towards him being town.

2. Similarly Jarizok following up me questioning him about his Von town read inside #243 reads very much like a "Spew" that Vaimes is town here. Owner questioning if Vaimes has a "Truth meta" about him saying he's town in #320 is a really weird and unlikely comment to happen between partners, particularly given she has some belief in truth meta being a real thing.

3. Vaimes's reads and thoughts when catching up inside #795 of removing 10 players in total from the lynch pool leaving 7 players total remaining with 4 of them being his partners...is pretty unlikely to come from mafia here, especially when he could very easily have not removed any of Cobalt/Kai/Fluff pretty easily; this is a pretty huge indication that he's town to be honest, he does a similar thing inside #1165 where he's removing ~8 people with none of them being mafia, him also putting forward genuinely good reasoning for thinking people like Waco may be town inside #1401 has pretty little scum motivation in that he's really boxing himself into a small pool at a time where he'd know that Oracle + Watcherman are both town and that there's likely a Priest + Acolyte around too.

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This is by far your most compelling point and something I've been thinking about since he posted it. As mafia he has a lot of motivation to switch it up from Cobalt to you today since that's the most likely way he wins here. A Cobalt Lynch means he can't get a kill through and loses tomorrow and the turnaround on his Cobalt read here.... Felt unnatural?

 

Yeah, you're not lynching me.

I'll do things after some shopping.

 

Don't let me down Vira. I'll never use a Togekiss again.

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(That's a lie, paraflinch is way too OP)

 

Aw, but Reg, I wanted to defend myself before you popped in to shield me.

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Let's set some things straight.

1. I'm not going to provide any games for Vira to read, because I think she is the last witch and it's utterly pointless. If you want them that badly to suddenly look productive, there's a search bar.

2. I don't shoot Regfan last Night. Never ever ever. It's a complete waste of a shot for me, and a game-losing move. Regfan is townfirmed, a strong player, and he thinks I'm town. That's someone I very much want to keep alive in endgame! The play for me as a witch here is to shoot Vira, convince town (mostly Regfan, because he'll in turn convince Cobalt) that she used the IK on herself, and push for her to be lynched to "prove her alignment," when in reality she'd likely die and I'd win because I really don't think Angels would save her there.

3. You know who does shoot Regfan? Vira. Because he's scumreading her. You know who protects Regfan? The Angels. Because Regfan is worth protecting. Because he's right.

3. I crumble as scum. Hard. Like, I don't think you understand how obvious I am when you've played just one or two scumgames with me. Cobalt thinking I'm scum here when I barely survived D1 in the game we were scum together just speaks to the levels he'll unintentionally go to mafia-side as town. It's like D8, I'm active, I'm engaged, I'm town.

4. I think bussing your entire team isn't as extreme as you're painting it to be, because none of them were ever in the towncircle. Not for one second. Every single one of them was going to be lynched, and they knew it. You could feel it super early in the game. So when one of them (Vira) makes it into the towncircle, and the others don't, bussing all of them makes you look reeeally good. So good, in fact, that the towncred would probably win you the game!

5. I am not going to convince you I'm town. I'm following Newcomb's/Eido's school of thought that talking to each other about our own alignments is incredibly unproductive and only serves to fuel paranoia or confirmation bias. If you think I'm scum here, well. You will be disappointed you flopped yet again.

I think that's all?

Now move your vote to the actual witch, Cobalt.

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Like. That shot on Reg is basically a scumclaim from Vira. The Angels didn't protect him because of his charming wit. If they were going for keeping the maximum number of villagers alive, they would have also saved Kai, who was pretty much an incredibly predictable shot.

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Oh, I thought I voted earlier.

Vote Vira

I think you played amazingly, but Reg is confirmed town and Cobalt has actually demonstrated he cares about town winning. Sorry.

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Oh, also that. Whoever the last scum is did a lot of bussing, so. Arguing against it is pointless.

Thanks Reg.

 

Vaimes - There's still plenty of defending you can do! I'll take your thought process re Cobalt v Vira yesterday -> today if you've got time for it too.
Cobalt - I found individual posts where Vaimes/Vira/Yourself listed nothing but scum as their sxum reads so objectively the last mafia did lots if bussing, they also were universally town read so those aren't reasons to vote Vaimes over Vira. Would like your thoughts on my above Newcomb post as well as your Vira town read elaborated on in some more detail.
Vira - Colouring Vaimes name in red inside the VCA seems...wrong. What was the point of it and what did you glean from using it here. Would like you to put forward some reasoning behind Vaimes being mafia rather than "Cobalt being town" outside of his read on you today if you can.

 

Point #5 is directed at Cobalt, my bad.

I don't really know what you're talking about re: my turnaround on Cobalt being unnatural. He had a moment where he looked like he was suddenly making up reasons to scumread me, and it felt super convenient, but I believe him in that he's just frustrated and wants me to be scum more than actually thinking I'm scum.

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I'm pretty sure that naming a team including four of her buddies was supposed to be something specifically tossed out there to make her look good.

'Cause uh.

From her POV she named the exact scumteam, yet I showed absolutely 0 worry about that? Ever? You don't think that's something I'd have reacted to, when those four mafia were doomed to be lynched sooner or later?

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like lol, I made font eat a bullet N1 in a game where she only named half of my team.

At that point in the game, Vira hadn't claimed Survivalist. If I'm a witch, and she names the exact team, and we don't know her role, and we don't care about shooting the Priest because owner is getting lynched D1, then uh. pew pew Vira.

 

I tried a No Kill play in Hannibal Mafia and learned not to do it again. Complicated plans don’t work. I'm pretty sure you were in that game.

Hmm, I wonder who gets protected here? Kai who was pointed at town!Cobalt, or Reg who is now unkillable?

But it doesn’t. Towncred never lasts. I was highly townread early in Hannibal Mafia for my bussing, but it wore off pretty quick.

If you want to highlight Vaimes' name yourself in a dozen votals, I’ll remember for next time.

On it.

Owner and Kalas were already dead when I made that claim. You just said it was obvious that the other four (two) scum were going to be lynched. And I made that claim at the end of D2, and I’m pretty sure I claimed Survivalist by then. Scum shot Fluff the Priest N3. Would you really shoot me the Survivalist instead when your remaining two scum buddies were already in the lynch pool?

 

For some reason I thought you named that team D1. Probably should have clicked the link.

Scratch that.

Other points still stand. We very well may have different valuations for certain styles of play, but you also happen to be a witch and will shoot down anything I say, so I see no reason to continue talking to you.

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Also Cobalt, fyi, being consistent tends to be something scum cares about more than town.

Because town have to constantly change their minds!

Like.

Me townreading Vira and scumreading you, then flipping that was mostly YOUR fault anways, because you made me do that exercise that left me with Vira on all possible scumteams (though Jarizok wasn't included). I started considering Vira after that, and even more so when Reg flipped his read on her.

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Also I still think it's mind-boggling that despite your history here, you think you know what you're talking about re: me.

I was just as townread, if not more so, than Vira by people who know be better than you, and you have completely failed to acknowledge that.

Like, at least state it for the record: "I fully believe that Vaimes fooled fontisian and Newcomb, the two people who wired his brain to play mafia, despite the fact that his (recent) scumgames would state otherwise."

Then, if I actually get lynched here, I will mock you mercilessly and never ever listen to any of your reads for as long as you reside on DLP.

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Okay maybe that's a little extreme, but goddamn if it isn't frustrating getting Cobalt to look at more than surface info.

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Another thing, but Vira naming the team in the order they died is exactly 0% impressive.

For one, she's a witch and already knows their alignments. For two, owner and Koalas were already dead at that point, and Jarizok was always going to outlive Rubicon because Gravedigger.

I'm just pointing out things wrong with your post to be petty at this point, waiting for Regfan continues to be zzz.

 

You'll be waiting a while then, I'm at work and not likely to post anything huge for quite a bit. I also intend to take today pretty slowly, mostly just compiling "important posts" re; the thread and analysing it later, only about half way through it too. Shrug?

 

I think if there's exactly one thing that proves I'm town, it's the Regfan kill.

There is no benefit for me if I'm mafia. None. Zero. I honestly cannot believe that Cobalt thinks I'd make that shot as mafia. He's unlynchable, yes, but if you look beyond that incredibly shallow observation, he's also the only reason I'm not dead yet. If Regfan had died, I'd be dead right now. A shot on him is gamethrowing if I'm mafia, when I could use that shot to strip Vira of her vest because why the fuck am I going to let a town Survivalist make it to endgame with me with their vest still on when they aren't hard-townreading me? Do you think I enjoy making it impossible for me to win? Are you assuming I spent all game going "golly gee, Vira is town, has an extra life, and isn't really townreading me. Let's totally leave her alone and hope that town lynches her just because!"

Not gonna lie, I have my misgivings about Cobalt, but I'm going to chalk it up to him being messy. I don't think he'd want to risk having his clear and a vested town Survivalist in endgame with him, 'cause uh. Neither Vira nor Regfan can die after I get lynched here, so.

Okay yeah Cobalt is just flat-out town. I'm going to stop posting now, this automerge looks like a mess.

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I know it's important to take it slow here. I'm just annoyed you have to be in Australia to do it.

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Wait, it gets even better.

If I were a witch, Angels would not have saved Regfan, because that HELPS ME IF I'M A WITCH COBALT, YOU BUFFOON. They'd love it if I landed a kill on Reg, because it means you and Vira are free to lynch me.

I'm town. Period.

Vote Vira.

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Actually, they probably would have saved Kai instead, because that makes it more likely I get lynched.

I am so giddy right now and can't wait to see how Vira challenges me now.

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Regfan

Check my logic there and vote Vira. The save on you p much clears me.

You're welcome for saving you from rereading a ton.

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I am so glad I remembered that Angels are kind of hugely important. I once got mislynched for the loss in a game where I'd been Angel saved and everyone (including me) forgot.