I have an idea. It might be a stupid idea?

If Spiritualist flips Mal's card and it's Elder Witch, Agents should out because there's only one living Elder. They're probably going to die soon, meaning that LWs will immediately join the coven and there's literally no point to-

OOOOhhh, I see.

The Rubi kill was to prevent us from seeing Owner's flip...? But they could have done it tonight instead?

....? If Owner is coven... do LWs get a kill the night they join an empty coven? If they don't, is that why Rubi had to die last night, in order not to out Owner as coven?

Anyway, we should decide if Spiritualist should do the thing or not. I think. Is this just more 5 AM ramblings of a bear? Someone tell me why this is bad. :tinfoil:

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dichotomousCreator - Why is Fluff the most town to you, not including Tom CFD related things?

 

I needed a new readslist as well.

My last readslist:
Jarizok
Miner
Rubicon
Weiyao
Owner
Beru
Kai
Fluff
Cobalt
Citrus
Silver
Fable
Vaimes
Acio
DC

Jari
Miner
Weiyao
Silver
Fluff
Beru
Fable
Newcomb
Citrus
Kai
Vaimes
DC
Owner

 

It kinda depends who the Spiritualist actually IS...like, if it's a likely angel protect then making them rolekillable might not be worth the result. I...THINK I'm inclined to say it's worth doing? My worldbuilding kind of isn't hinged on mal because I got very little from his interactions, but other people seem to have fared better.

RE: Owner flip...ehh? I kinda figured Rubicon was just town that was rolekillable, honestly. There might be additional motivations or there might not, but that kind of obfuscates the whole thing.

oh yeah also peeping tom is a thing so that strategy is unreliable...
...unless the PT is scum. In which case offing the GD gets a bonus not only in that specific scenario, but for any desired info control going forward. Similar to how scum killed the GD in WH12 and the GD!Apprentice was scum, albeit weaker.

PREVIEW EDIT: Very little reason. Tom CFD things are enough. Like, he's a classically lurky player meta-wise from what I've heard, he's lurking the game away as per usual...and his only real action was to CFD an Elder Witch? What? Maybe it's stupidly ballsy scumplay, but the feeling of "it's not that" is really strong. I'm only likely to reevaluate that at XYLO if everything has gone to hell.

I guess hopping on Citrus didn't hurt, but honestly that's the meat of it.

 

It's totally possible to CFD an Elder as a Junior.

While Fluff was the one who called for it, you were the one who actually implemented it, so I'm obviously always interested.

 

Like. fluff covens are:

- fluff/tom, where fluff CFD'd tom D1
- fluff/Rubicon where some other scum is the real GD and Rubicon was nightkilled + IK to sell the ruse. (if I'm in this world I actively want to lose to it because it's too funny)

and fluff as LW performed a CFD on a random person knowing that either:
- It hits town and he dies horribly
- It hits an ally

none of this meshes with his playstyle, like, at all, and they're all stupid tinfoil worlds, and if none are true then fluff is town. So fluff is town :v

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EBWOP: Yeah, I did consider that angle but it just doesn't seem likely. Like, most of the time you hit town and are then immediately revenge lynched. Some of the time you hit an Elder and it's the same as an Elder CFDing another Elder. Esp. when fluff's playstyle is as conservative as it is (remembering WH12 where he largely just skulked around and eventually got lynched and DOB'd the gravedigger) it's just way too much of a stretch.

 

i got fluffed lynched day 2 in that game, thanks.

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Ok I'm back to reading beru town.

I'm about to sleep but I'll post my thoughts on her tomorrow (I /should/ have time at work, but maybe it'll reduce my ability to do other game things at work, we'll see!) and hopefully it'll assist you guys too.

Spiritualist: okay. Ut isn't claiming because they're dead or scum or something, and mal's alignment is important for several people like beru and fable.

At the moment my valuation is something like 60% town, 30% elder, 10% little, but that's not actually a helpful for making any decisions it's just a bunch of numbers.

Citrus: Do you mean 'what citrus says he was doing' vs 'what I think citrus was doing'? That's not really a helpful thing because of course he's going to present himself in the best way - it's better to just make your own judgement on it, whether it agrees with mine or his, or somewhere else.

Fable: It showed in my post that I'm unsure what we ought to do with Fable. Zealot isn't a role we want scum to have at halftime, and surviving all the way there after claiming it on d1 is too much, but Fable is also in that special zone where he's a good bad nk and he could be getting left alive in the the hope that town does lynch him? I don't know, and that's why I want to know what Mal is, because it's a big factor in determining fable's alignment.

On the zealot thing, it's an ordering/wording issue? I'm saying 'if fable is a witch, he's a LW because he claimed zealot' and others are saying it more like 'fable claimed zealot because he is a LW'. I don't think our meanings are that different but I also forgot what distinction I was trying to make when I started this bit.

 

Citrus

PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.

 

There' this disconnect in your head where you don't have to give reasons, but other people still have to answer your questions. It's strange.

 

Beruru

Please please please just talk to me about 2613? Is it wrong? Am I wrong to say that about you? Why?

Also if I'm picking between dC and Fable Id /probably/ pick Fable because his flip gives more info and also lets people stop tunneling on him.

I think that maybe dC has higher scum equity but since he isn't at the bottom of my readslist I'm not super stoked about lynching his ass.

Wouldn't fight it, wouldn't super tunnel it either.
Newcomb

Tell me I'm wrong about Vaimes and why.

 

I know.

I am very strange.

 

Yes absolutely this is how town phrases a thought like that.

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Yeah this is not, like. How Fable works as a player.

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It's +EV fun for reasons I've already gone into.

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Have you ever played with witch!Vaimes?

 

I feel like you're forgetting rubicon is dead. What info would you be getting exactly?

 

Explain.

/10

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Literally what are you on about. We've played exactly two games together. One was Forum Apocalypse Mafia which was not a real game. The other was a DM game, which was also not a real game. If you think I have a sense of you as a player from those two games, I think you're pretty vastly over-estimating the impact you had on them.

Like. You are straight up calling yourself a "needlessly dramatic smug motherfucker". Can you not be objective enough, get outside of your own head enough, to see the problem here?

I'm pretty much washing my hands of this.

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/mentally chalking Fluff up as the inevitable PoE lynch D5

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How exactly are we going to get Fable's flip?

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Has it really been so long since Stardew Valley that you're all forgetting the lessons from it?

 

We're all so obviously aware that lynching Owner after 3 hours of game day is wrong that it's completely off that you felt the need to say "don't lynch please yet guys". This goes hand in hand with your defense of Owner's behavior at EoD, which was plain bad. I'm no mech expert, but going into Spiritualist stuff this is also counterproductive and if Citrus says it's not something town!you normally does I'll take that. Plenty of people here who'd contradict him if it wasn't true.

So with you doing all these questionable things so obviously, I'm left thinking there's probably a reason for it other than bad/scummie play.

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Pfft. Do you see me asking to be lynched to get the DC lynch? I think not. That's my quota of one thing learned per game done I'm afraid.

 

Don't have the time to do any long posts today - feeling a little tired and demotivated. But don't want to not be voting either so:

Vote: owner

 

Is this "you still consider the people you've called town to be town" or "the people you've pushed as scum previously to be town now"? Not understanding what you were saying is why I didn't answer this for so long.

Also, when did I say I ever wanted to lynch you over that? I thought outing with the thing I found might produce more evidence, but it didn't. Not producing more to back me up + the lack of interest from the entire thread made guys seem more town (you especially) unless witches run live thread. Depending on how people reply to things, my read on them can change. I don't tunnel one person forever unless nothing comes up to make me feel they're town (hi, Jari).

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... no? I could have sworn I'd played more than that with you. I thought that I was confusing you with Reaverb, but... no?

I also think we're going to have to drop this if we want to get anything done, but I'm going to say some things @ you because you weren't here D1 when I wrote them the first time. One of the reasons I switched to a more laid back, shitposty style back in the day is because the only other time I write the way DLP forces you to write is when I'm doing academic work, and I don't like the tone it gives my posts. Unfortunately, here everyone has to live with this version of Beru, including me. I would rather have happy gif fun time but Jan and Fonti went "pleeeeease Beru" at me so now I'm here.

 

I, uh. Hrm. I might come back to this later. Maybe. It feels weird and I can't figure out why at the moment.

What's really weird is that you keep saying I should do things because I'm town instead of just asking me to do things. And this is kind of like a threat because you're all "It pings me when people can't give a reads list" and then "give me a reads list pls."

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Silvercrys3467
Miner / Vaimes
Citrus / dC
Jarizok / Wei / Newcomb
Fable / KaiDASH / fluff
Beruru
owner

Using the IK there is super weird even if it makes us wrongly believe Mal is town, I think? which means Rubicon was probably angel saved and role killed. Which means Mal was probably town. Which means there might be one in my greens, I guess, because I don't really trust myself to have four wolves in my bottom five.

But! Now we have 3 ~probably town players dead on tom's wagon so I want to look at it with fresh eyes. There is some consideration to give "they're killing on the wagon because none of the elders are on it!" I guess but I'll burn that bridge when I get to it.

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Never mind, Acio was hanging out on dC at EoD1... Well, there's two anyway. I'm going to look at it in a bit.

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tom (9): 'dC', 'fluff', 'dya', 'Beru', 'Fable', 'Kai', 'Vaimes', 'Citrus', 'Rubicon'
Beru (4): 'Miner', 'Jarizok', 'wei', 'tom'
Jarizok (1): 'Cobalt'
Vaimes (1): 'owner'
dC (1): 'Acio'

Not Voting (1): 'jwlk'


Oh, that's.... cool... all of my potential scum besides owner are /on/ the tom wagon. Not as helpful as I'd hoped, but I already did it so here it is.

 

You're forgetting the part where I pushed on Tom all of day 1. And then Rubicon says Tom is an Elder Witch. And then later on Rubicon dies. I wasn't around for EOD so my vote didn't change.

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Wow, that sounds like you have nothing to add upon what everyone else has been saying. FoS weiyaoli

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Beruru how do you know that I'm a QT heavy person?

 

I'm not "forgetting" you weren't here for EoD, this is a statistics thing where I go "hmm, there's 9 players on tom and 5 witches in 17 players so there's at least one, likely two, and ~maybe three on him."

Then I go compare it to my reads and go "oh, that's not actually helpful because of the 5 people I think are scum, four are on him, so it could just be any of them."

If it were like, just Kai/Fable of my not-townreads on tom with the rest off-wagon I'd be more interested in lynching one of them because at least one is probably scum if not both.

Does that make more sense?

 

I get that part. It's just you are writing me off as scum when we know tom was scum as well. But most people sound like they aren't going to change their opinion on me.