Did you miss my miniso? Probably my fault since I spoilered it, I guess.

The tl;dr is her progressions are extremely strange, especially on Beru. She flipped that read from null/lean scum to "why is anyone voting Beru" because Beru posted a bunch of votals and things that are "work" but not alignment indicative, then agreed that that was a weak reason to do it. She's shading people for really weird stuff during her reread and saying things I can't believe /she/ really believes. It's just. Yeah. Go read it if you haven't.

Link because it disappears quotes when I try to quote it.

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Hunter should shoot Fable, I suppose. Decent chance to hit a witch and doesn't autolose to lol!elderassassin if he's town.

 

If we're doing No Spiritualist Hunter Plan then my vote is No Shoot, obviously.

 

I'm fine with formally requesting a Spiritualist claim. As for the Fable thing...he's either actually the Zealot or scum with the Zealot. I'm treating "town!Fable would not fakeclaim Zealot" as confirmed, yes.

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Sell me on no shoot in these scenarios:
- No Spiritualist steps forward
- Spiritualist says mal is town

 

I am against a spiritualist claim/use toDay, on the grounds of it being more useful toMorrow when it can be used on Mallorean OR toDay's lynch OR one of the nightkills

 

beru I don't understand why you think witches would shoot fable n1 if he's town.

You're gonna have to walk me through that with something more than 'lul zealot opieop'.

 

Even with the risk that we lynch the Spiritualist or they eat NK? Ah, I guess if they're about to be lynched they should activate on mal so it's just NK...

...who are you thinking would be a better Spiritualist target in general than mal, though?

 

What are you talking about? The solution to what?

If we're both town, the "solution" is that either you're going to figure it out using... whatever it is you do, to get reads, or I'm going to make a heroic and frankly ridiculous individual effort to cut through your shtick and correctly mindset read you.

More likely is that one of us will just end up getting the other one killed, though.

Apologies in advance if that's the world, I guess.

 

No Spiritualist steps forward, Mal's alignment (and role!) is locked in the catbox, game could be over in very specific scenarios if we lynch town and two town die overnight.

Spiritualist says mal is town, we KNOW that game could be over in very specific scenarios if we lynch town and two town die overnight.

tl;dr No Shoot.

Also I just realized that Spiritualist Plan means that the Spiritualist ALSO has to be town because results are private which is like, *screams into a pillow for the rest of the day phase*.

Hunter should just Never Ever Shoot, I Guess.

 

It could end up being best on Mal. But I can definitely see our lynch toDay being more controversial or more important for world building or etc. Like I'd rather save the agency for toMorrow, but obviously that's just my opinion. I don't want to see it used toDay and then toMorrow we start by saying "soooooo wish we used it on so-and-so and now what guys"

If they eat the NK, it means a holy player didn't so *shrug*. Spiritualist using the power toDay doesn't mean they're town!firmed and if they're scum they could lie.

Also mallorean did say he'd suggest checking his card D4. I don't know why he said that, but if he's town it has some weight? Like he could just have easily said D3 or here's my role or anything else

 

I... don't really want to get you killed.

If we're both town, Jari can still be a lolwitch, but I also want to know what the rest of your world would look like... ? From your point of view, not mine.

 

Booooooo.

Even if it's "mechanically correct" - and I'm not at all convinced that it is - telling the Hunter to holster is a dick move. If the Hunter's town, they should take a shot at a wolfread. That's what the role is for.

 

Ok seriously Beruru come on, you're now taking a low-probability world and trying to sell your entire argument off it. We don't suggest that people play the lottery because they /could/ win millions, and we don't base our entire arguments off small possibilities without taking every other MORE LIKELY world into consideration too

 

No? Generally when you say "lol PoE" you're pretty okay with a person getting killed.

If you had to bet the game on my alignment right at this moment, what would it be, and why?

 

It's not, but if it's mechanically 100% correct then no they shouldn't shoot.

Ex: a scenario where we let witches use last stand early by having the hunter shoot where hunter won't be lost that Night

 

I know it's not fun, but I don't want to lose on N3 because someone decided to be a dick to the rest of their team.

 

I mean my counter to this is that-

ugh, I guess scum!assassin just has to wait for a roleclaim at LYLO to collect a win so shooting Fable doesn't even really help with that.

We could have the DOB claim and avoid killing them? If scum nightkill the DOB they could just aim at the Hunter target and that guarantees no additional DOB-killed townie.

This is effectively neutering one of our kills, though it sounds like that's what you're up for doing anyway.

While I agree with this in principle, I think the game rules should be somehow tweaked to encourage it rather than relying on people in-game making -EV plays. So given the situation we're in, if it IS correct to no shoot a town Hunter should probably do that.

 

I don't think that it's that low probability!

 

How is it a dick move to take an action that is less likely to make your team lose?

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Or I guess not take an action.

Newcomb, how much of owner's posts have you actually read? Are you just fixated on her EoD2 actions? 'Cause I'm pretty sure her only useful posts then appeared because of Citrus.

 

I'm a fan of hunter shoots fable.

 

I don't really grok the case against Fable.

I have a townread on him for meta but like. He hasn't done anything behaviorally great since I've been here.