They learn who is in the coven as soon as the coven vote to kill someone.

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That's how it has worked every other time I've played witchhunts at least, I don't think there's any reason for it to be different.

 

That's how it was in WH3. I'm assuming it wasn't changed?

Actually I should probably ask.

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From the last game:

 

Ika, the atum wagon was never going to be a day ending lynch. It was an early game this guy needs to post more kind of wagon. And rubicon was on that wagon, Citrus was afk. Hell, snowvon did join that wagon late on, maybe that was the scum attempting to push it over the edge.

 

Mod: Do dead Villagers/Clergy know who the scums are?

If the answer to this is yes, then it makes ika's plan possible but I'm still not a fan.

 

From signup thread. They see when the coven decide to kill someone.

 

Seeing all events =/= having knowledge of identities. In fact, anytime the demons didn't curse the witches kill target, the angels would just change and auto heal.

The angels cannot have access to coven chat of the witches kill but must be informed through other means.

 

They only learn when the kill goes through obviously.

 

WH3 Angel QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/J8naVyP6jHeR4

Dead players QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/7XbzKLKQnwR

The mod just posts who does what every Night phase. Angels don't know who the Witches are going to kill, so they can't change to protect them.

 

Here is the angel QT from the last wh as an example. http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/J8naVyP6jHeR4

 

Oh my God, I thought I linked to my current QT by mistake. That was a nice heart attack.

 

Identity of the coven is learned when the coven attempts to make their first night kill.

 

I triple checked I was linking the right one

 

Yes. /10char

 

Well let's suppose both of you are right (angels know witches) and ika isn't lying about double protect being used, then we have two back to back lylos if Bill Door and Snowvon are town.

I'm not certain who scum is in there, so the plan is bad. I'd rather have the room to work with because I'm leaning again that Bill is town.

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Ok so that means likely 3 v 2... supposing scum lynch... 3 v 1 at night... coven curses player X and uses notification... scum kills only that target (as angels would heal the other two townies)... that leaves 2 v 1 lylo

If we lynch Von supposing two scum and Von is town...

8 v 2... nk 7 v 2... we have a mislynch to spare in catching the two scums.

Killing Bill Door gains us nothing unless Bill Door is scum and it eliminates the failsafe of Luckylee being scum.

 

Where did ika post what cards were or weren't used tonight?

 

By implication, I'm supposing no cards were used tonight.

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Getting to work on that Von case btw..

 

ika, can you clarify what information if any you received about cards used or not used?

 

ika mentioned cards here.

 

I'm just trying to figure out why\what this means.

 

Look at these two vote counts...

KaiDASH (5): Titus, Riley Poole, Snowvon, Atum, Bill Door
Rubicon (4): KaiDASH, fontisian, Polysemous, blab
fontisian (3): Rubicon, Citrus, ika
Luckylee (1): Luckylee
Atum (1): klackerz

Abstain (1): Lyrium

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Vote Count 2.1 (#1256)
(8 to lynch, 10 for supermajority)

Rubicon (4): KaiDASH, fontisian, Snowvon, Polysemous
fontisian (2): Rubicon, Citrus
Luckylee (2): Bill Door, Luckylee
KaiDASH (2): blab, Titus
Atum (1): klackerz
klackerz (1): Atum
ika (1): ika

Abstain (2): Riley Poole, Lyrium

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Provided that Lyrium is town, Snowvon jumped from scumRubicon to town KaiDash when push came to shove at the end of Day 1.

Snowvon provided no substantive comments throughout day 2 and showed no attempts to scumhunt. His play was I'm the CCed player to scum, so conftown.

With players like Rubicon and Citrus on his team (supposing Lyrium town), then they have players fully capable of coaching Von to CC or fakeclaiming Von's role so he CCs. This manipulation allows Von to coast until Day 3 when Poly is going to be lynched. Snowvon doesn't really say much about the eventual scenarios. There seems to be no long term thinking from him at all.

He had to be prodded and most of this thoughts seem to be reactive. He votes Luckylee based on the grounds of "not enough pressure"... that reads like someone desperate to have attention elsewhere. It is also consistent with a CC and coast plan. He's posts read like someone trying to play the victim.

Then there's the Klackerz kill... he's the player most likely to make that kill AND have scum be confused as to whether he would kill Klackerz or Riley. Sure, other players could have wifomed it but Snowvon is the most scum to do that.

Is this OMG proof Snowvon is scum, no. However, if we are wrong lynch town and klackerz dies (can't see a scenario where Klackerz wouldn't die) then we have to lynch Snowvon twice and then lynch his buddy.

Verus... if we are wrong on Snowvon and judge him, we still have a mislynch left in a two scum scenario and we have a conftown left to guide us.

Lynching Von is the safest play if there are any doubts about his town status.

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That means the scums technically used shenanigans but it shouldn't matter as Blab is dead.