You're boring me Von. You are boring. So, vanish. The game will be solved tomorrow or the next day anyways. Town's victory is assured.

 

I object to the suggestion that I haven't been helping to drive the game. Hell, even ika has been driving the game forward. That's a really weird misrep.

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Oh and lyrium has been too.

 

Quick question, does anyone have the link to the quicktopic with all the vote counts? That's a thing iirc.

 

It's in the game start post.

 

Lucky, you're annoying.

Bill, I mean recently. Lyrium's been kinda quiet, ika checked out and wasn't exactly shy about it, you're sort of there. I just mean Titus' presence is strongest.

Like. Just because I'm definitely dying toDay doesn't mean we all have to sit here quietly and twiddle our thumbs.

 

Thanks Bill. Keep bouncing Snowvon!

 

you should be fully aware why i gave shit about moving it foward right now im on vacation and want to enjoy it.

got something ask me then i if your gonna persue me tom, im gonna lynch you so you can DOB me

 

Alright, the oft-promised, critically acclaimed and long awaited Snowvon + Citrus/Rubicon post has finally reached a screen near you. Prepare to be thoroughly amazed by a deluge of insight, intrigue, and stylish color-coding. Also Happy Father's Day.

D1

#109 - fluff in which Snowvon questions why Rubicon is "picking on his sunflower [Lyrium]." Pretty typical early Snowvon posting, showing an alignment with Lyrium that transcends these games. Null.

#130 - Early vote on Citrus in response to Citrus telling him to vote for him in response to Snowvon telling Lyrium to vote for Citrus in response to Lyrium saying she wanted to kill Citrus. That was annoying to write, I hope it's equally annoying to read. Anyway, makes Snowvon look unaligned with Citrus early on and part of the exchange is "convincing" Lyrium to vote for Citrus as well. So an attempt to appear unaligned between the scum team is possible. Looking at interaction between Rubicon and Citrus this seems plausible since they both use similar methods to cast suspicion on the other iirc. Lean-scum.

#170 - claims he is okay with "murderkilling" Citrus and Atum. Further opposition to Citrus and a fluffy reason for lynching Atum that could be co-opted for an actual read. Might also be Snowvon being Snowvon, I get the sense that'll be a lot of these posts. Null-lean scum.

#448 - Tells ika he'd like to bomb Citrus. It continues to show him as suspicious of Citrus but there is no stated reasoning that I can find, nor is there significant pressure on Citrus from Snowvon or on the rest of the town to follow his vote. Null-Lean scum

#705 - Much later, questions Rubicon's activity. Response to a request for reads on fontisian and Titus reads by Luckylee. Interestingly his early townread on Titus has flipped completely, but there has been a lot of activity since then. I'm not sure what to make about his comment on trolling, but that's what these helpful hyperlinks are for. Seriously. Use them or I'll be sad. Lean-town

#953 - tells Citrus he is Town. Citrus is scum so I'm not really sure. Null.

#1054 - Asks Citrus if he is upset that Snowvon voted for him back in #130. Again states his suspicion that Citrus is scum accompanied by fluff. Still no reasoning. Null-Lean scum.

#1086 - Direct response to Citrus from #1068. Some fluff. Explains why his meta is different in regards to mood/tone. Explains why he sheeped a vote. Explains his common referencing of fontisian using fluff, possibly deflecting. Again Citrus is scum so his questions would likely: try to cast town!Snowvon in a negative light, try to force scum!Snowvon to give townfirming responses (coaching), try to further establish himself and scum!Snowvon as unaligned (bussing). Null-lean scum.

#1183 - Unvotes KaiDASH and votes Rubicon. No stated reasoning and some added fluff at the end. Maybe to be seen as unaligned with Rubicon. Null-Lean scum

#1381 - Fluff that happens to mention Citrus as far as I can tell. This task has become tedious and disheartening. Null.

#1445 - Response to blab's suspicion of a Rubicon/Citrus scumteam. Snowvon claims it's more likely one of the two. Possible protection of a scummate and an attempt to protect the coven as a whole by casting two of its members as unaligned. Weird because his vote is still on Rubicon (maybe KaiDASH, and he makes no mention of him being more or less likely than Citrus. No reasoning is given. Scummy.

#1535 - Questions Bill Door's extension request and its fulfillment. Predicts the D1 lynch as being either KaiDASH or fontisian, with a chance of Rubicon. Then fluff question. Possible light disapproval of Rubicon lynch by casting doubt on its occurrence. Null.

#1608 - Fluff telling Rubicon he'll let him know when he plays a scum game in forum mafia. No purpose except to imply his townhood. Null.

#1632 - Confusion over the term "loose cannon". Odd since it's a role, but believable confusion, esp. since it was brought up during the who "leeroying" thing which was strange. Suggests it was used in WH3 to describe Rubicon. Null.

D2

#1705 - Fluff addressing Citrus' early vote on him D2. Pre-cc. Null.

Ok, I'm bored now so I can't do any more of this. I'll probably finish D2, which has the more interesting Citrus interactions since it leads up to the cc battle that is one of the leading points in Snowvon's townhood.

Anyway, besides showing me that I might have to do something like this for Titus (~539 posts ) this exercise has also raised the possibility of Snowvon being the third or fourth scum in the coven Lyrium has thus far discovered. This is largely because I realized that Rubicon and Citrus were lightly bussing each other before their deaths, meaning that the other scum(s) may have employed a similar strategy.

If this is the case then this is an apt example of a player using relatively well-known and obvious town meta to disguise scum play. If not, then I agree with Bill's lynch strategy in terms of the general direction of the game, the order of lynches, and the eventual town victory. Again commentary from everyone else would be helpful in terms as allowing an outside perspective or a different analysis of certain posts. Ignore the occasional commentary; I don't know how Lyrium did that other thing.

 

@Von, I know I did it but I'm incompetent operating ISOs on this site so I can't find the analysis I did before. So let's suppose you're town and Fonti's town (bc it is what you asked). I'm going to go through and suppose everyone is possible. I'll be eliminating Riley and Klackerz for obvious reasons. ABC order time.

Atum and Bill Door --- Possible. There's not much interaction here between these two. At the same time, I can't imagine Bill Door volunteering to get lynched as scum, that is unless the person he'd be saving was also scum and his DoB would then be worthless. Bill and Luckylee both have that method of eliminating their partners if we actually take them up on it. Otherwise, it's just wifom.

Atum checking Poly doesn't seem to be a scum manuever. He hasn't done anything particularly scummy. His opening was weak but he's been more town in later days. There also doesn't seem to be coordination between these two slots, which I would expect to see if scum were down two bodies rapidly.

Atum and ika, this one is interesting. ika totally fading out doesn't help much for me to town read him. If Snowvon flips town, I have to begin to reconsider my townread on ika and if he was whiteknighting me because of how he knows I play the game (safe, low risk style).

ika doesn't really look like he coordinates with anyone but he has a particular brand of thinking that doesn't really match with mine.

The pair would be dangerous with analytical Atum with impulsive ika. I'd keep my eye here. If Atum's scum, ika's most likely the buddy.

Atum Luckylee -- This is a scenario that's problematic. If Klackerz dies, we have to lynch Luckylee's hypothetical partner first. Otherwise, we are in the same position we are in with Snowvon now possible. Yet, we'd be unaware of it because we don't know who Luckylee would give his extra life to (if I understand Witchhunt appropriately). Luckylee, however, is my second biggest townread if the game persists. Atum and Luckylee have more interaction but they do seem to follow each other. Is one buddying the other? Are they both scum? Town with mirroring opinions?

Atum and Lyrium --- In an Atum/Lyrium scumworld, nothing we know about the game is set but for Citrus being scum. I'd like a Citrus, Kai, Atum, Lyrium team in that setup, as much as I think Fonti was scum. My opinion has always been one of the two was scum. Lyrium's indecision lately allowing others to take the heat and argue isn't helpful. Generally, I don't like players who are confused unless I see specific steps taken to alleviate the confusion. This pairing isn't likely, but that's because I really want Lyrium to be town more than anything.

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Bill Door and Atum -- See Above

Bill Door and ika --- Both would prefer a much slower based game. It would explain why Bill has seemed calmer about being lynched, but for today when ika wanted to direct his shot onto Snowvon, as a thoughtful analysis would reveal that plan sucked for the town if BD was town. It creates a mindfuck which is much more ika scum. ika's sudden boringness and fading into the background while misting isn't helpful either. Interaction wise beyond that, I don't like these two together. Bill Door would have to apply a little more pressure towards ika. Instead, they appear more standoffish. I could see one treating the other as a useful idiot if scum but I doubt buddies. I'd be a devilish mindfuck on me but that would mean near exclusive focus on conning me. The throwing me under the bus comes too early if these two are the team.

Bill Door and Luckylee --- This scenario I pray isn't true and it's a paranoia scenario. Both function as counters to each other. Yet, if they are both scum, we are in trouble as all NK analysis is off and we can't rely on Luckylee to give us an extra life. BD would have to be lynched first, which is problematic. Bill Door takes out someone active or someone questioning Luckylee (which is practically no one ATM) and that really helps the scums in the end game.

Bill Door and Lyrium -- This I would expect more defensiveness from Bill Door as the DoB with the Gravedigger creates hard scenarios. I'd imagine that Bill Door would be revealed as town, and his target revealed as scum. Beyond that, this pair wouldn't feel the need to lie much about information already gathered as these two would be the most powerful night action pieces. If these two are scum, they are most likely scum together.


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ika and Atum or Bill Door --- See Above

ika and Luckylee --- Again, lynch ika first. ika can build up Luckylee's credibility for wanting to be lynched while secretly knowing Luckylee would never be lynched at all. The pair manipulate me with ika's given knowledge of how I will behave. ika whiteknights me while I serve his purpose of eliminating Poly and Snowvon. Then, he threatens to do a uturn after I've ceased usefulness for a scumwincon. After all, I'm the one sticking my neck out. These two function as ideal partners for each other. If Luckylee is scum, ika is his ideal partner.

ika and Lyrium -- Both scum suddenly getting confused and lurky. That's highly unlikely as the lynch pool narrows. I don't like these two as scum together.

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Luckylee and Lyrium --- Interesting combination. I could see a gambit by Luckylee to volunteer himself to save her, because it would be obvious scum would kill her. Lyrium makes one shot to fake two scum in the game. We fuck up. They win. Ugh.

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Summary

If Atum is scum, his most likely partner is ika.
If Bill Door is scum, his most likely partner is Lyrium.
If ika is scum, his most likely partner is Luckylee.
If Luckylee is scum, his most likely partner is ika.
If Lyrium is scum, her most likely partner is Bill Door.

 

Atum, in 130 the he-said-she-said was about Luckylee, not Citrus. I told Lyrium to "vote for [Lucky]" in response to her 84.

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Shit, a Titus!megapost ninja.

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I feel you on the ISO struggle, Titus. You are strong.

 

dont you even fucking start titus. you said to enjoy my vaca. so fuck off about my shit. if you want to think that you can lynch me today

 

Of course enjoy your vacation and that's one thing. But you have suggested you're just laying back separate from your vacation and that's what my wall assumed.

You're not obvscum, you aren't the safest play by far. I still think Von's the most scummy but I'm not ignoring a quesiton because it might piss you off.

 

well i cant enjoy my vaca if you are going to give me fucking shit. im obviously still watching the damn game but dont want some fucked up lynched lead by you. you do it today or tommorow. im not dealing with you on this debate/argument anymore.

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BTW titus why did you say your VT?

Any townsperson would know we are not vt but villagers...

 

Well it's obvious no one is actually a vt or vv. Given the number of games I play in simultaneously, it's an easy enough shorthand.

 

also what bout this this seems to give implication that you know hes not scum

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i dont really buy that considering that you often use QTs when you get them

 

Titus is pretty much VT in the sense that she no longer has an ability. She still has her title, but nothing beyond that.

 

LOL. Nope. That's a cost benefit analysis. That whole wall was stream of consciousness. Try again.

Yeah, I pretty much am I VT here. I can't do shit. No one is a VT in this game.

 

Lawl. I'm willing to sink with the ship (Bill). However I'd like to see 2 things-The results of Von and the NK. It's a coin toss, Klackerz/Riley are conf town, but Lyrium is a very real information risk(unless she is scum playing us which I super doubt).

Ika, brobeans, calm down. Enjoy your vacation, I will troll in your place <3

So yeah. Tomorrow Depending on results/Nks I'll totes lead a lynch on someone. Or convince Klackerz to Judge someone. Buuuut everything isn't ready yet, because if we're Lucky, the game might end with Von's death.

 

Luckylee, let's suppose Snowvon is town and two scum are left {meaning I was wrong about Fonti or Lyrium is lying or both}... can you analyze all the remaining players and post the likely scumteams?

 

Lucky: