1. You say that Kai's statements about her goals and her actions are not aligning. This is the same thing I feel about Fonti.
2. It's not that Fonti didn't push hard enough, it's that her stated objective is unlikely to occur. Her whole premise is that she'll catch scum or force them to fake claim. Why would they? Supposing ALL the scums were newbies, then they'd probably decide to claim truthfully. There's no reason for seasoned scum to fakeclaim. So how would Fonti ever catch scum, regardless of them being newbies or not as scum have no reason to fakeclaim. Because her stated goal (catching scum in a fakeclaim), is ridiculous, then she should be deeply grilled as possible scum.
3. I don't see any misframing. I feel Fonti's stated objective was a lie (see point 2). The pushing of the gambit is additional evidence that Fonti is lying but the situation itself is enough evidence.
4. Rolefishing is not helpful at all in this setup.
5. Fonti was all for civility to not lynch the newbie, but against civility when players have RL issues. If players cannot adapt to RL issues, then they won't play. (To be fair, I did hit Citrus hard but I thought he missed his deadline and I was lazy to check timestamps).
6. I haven't seen a single lie KaiDash told. So it's kinda going to say that way until I see something that your alleging is a lie.

 

Titus, I just want to shake you until you start making sense. That's not my premise. It was a remote possibility, but a possibility nonetheless. I see no reason to abstain from a gambit that could out scum and that did give me a strong townread.

Alright, I'm wondering why everyone ignored Luckylee's self vote. Hey Lucky, what "farce" are you talking about?

 

1) You did so before, and that's all you had. Nothing else?
2) This is a better explanation than what you posted before. What does 'barns' mean?
3) Not if it's for personal reasons/RL. Stating that Vira is around and viewing the thread is crossing the line

I really really REALLY do not like your last sentence. Hence the red.

Are you justifying your scumread in hindsight? Because a lot of your defenses have been relatively slippery. I didn't have super clearly established reads before doing my big catch-ups + you haven't really responded to any of the comments directed at you, so I'm not sure how in depth you read them anyways. aka you're calling me scum BEFORE for having different reads from you NOW as justification (on top of PoE, but that was included by you as a second thought wasn't it?)

Vote: Fontisian for emphasis

 

I didn't but thanks for implying I did. I told Lucky if he didn't want to play anymore he should subout.

Self-votes are just manipulative tools. I don't give them much credit. Skip it. Talking about it narrows down the priest Fonti.

 

It's not that hard, I usually post a lot anyways so it's much more streamlined with a couple walls. They're only walls because I missed a lot

What I don't like is the fact that you planted seed to rolefish. "do a look-over during night" if you're scum isn't that perfect? I don't like how you set yourself up at all for this, and now you're playing the super passive playcard which kinda mirrors your scum game in B&T. I gave you a free pass in that one, I'm not going to fall for that again

 

Oh god, I just put a lot of effort in putting my thoughts in clear language and I still feel like we are talking to bizarro-versions of each other.

No. I am saying Kai is deliberately misframing fontisian to make a case.
I mentioned goals and actions only tangentially, in that KaiDASH scumreads fontisian for a goal (pregame claim) that I think KaiDASH himself thinks is +town.

Look, what if I asked you to pick between a plan A) and a plan B).
Now plan B) is exactly the same as plan A), except it has an additional (ridiculously small) chance to catch scum.
Now pretend you would pick plan B)
Now pretend I would scumread you for it with the reasoning that you the chance to catch scum through plan B is redicoulously small.
That's what I feel like is happening.

see above.

Nobody ever argued that it is helpful
Except for gd claim, which is worth it. fontisian barely did any rolefishing aside from that. Gah

I don't understand at all what that has to do with any of my arguments about KaiDASH being scum

I never said KaiDASH lied. I said he is being dishonest. I can pick out the examples, but let me just quote these 2 posts.
https://forums.darklordpotter.net/sh...&postcount=853
https://forums.darklordpotter.net/sh...&postcount=920

 

1.Nope.
2. Barns means agreeing with unconditionally. How is it better?
3. I don't think stating that Vira was still observing was crossing the line. It was what got me following the replacement line of thought.

Citrus, you were initially in my scumreads partially due to a lack of initiative at the beginning of the game but mostly due to poe. Now you are there due to equal portions of poe and shitty reads. This should be completely obvious to you.

 

Hey Fonti,

Ok let's say I take a gigantic leap of faith and believe you to be town. Going against my instinct but okay.

We lynch KaiDash toDay. I see his cards and he is scum. I don't get Nked and share his alignment\role.

That would be the optimal outcome.

However, it's also possible I see his cards and he's town. However, I'm NKed. Then what?

Or, I'm not NKed and he is town and I share the results. Now what?

Just walk me through the three worlds\outcomes in terms of your actions\thought as town to these three scenarios.

 

If that's the different between Plan A and Plan B in this scenario, the gambit should not be pursued because it confirmed one player who is not the priest in this scenario. If there's no downside to a gambit, obviously pursue B.

Fonti deliberately rolefished me when she straightout asked me if I was the bomber. I don't know how that's not a rolefish.

GD claim is in no way helpful until there is actual information to be put forth.

Lie. Dishonest... one's just more PC than the other. I don't see a single misrep. Walk me through one.



Also, barn just means put off a discussion.

 

Diving in:

#853

A) I actually look for things like that myself when I scumhunt. It doesn't work nearly as well on here as I'd like (places like epicmafia is where it shines), but the more snappy/quick responses are the more likely stuff like this slips through. And Font was starting to rapid-fire with so much attention on her

B) I think this stuff is blending together for me a bit after reading it all in one go. Can someone link the part where Font / Kai argued about the GD pre-game stuff? Or specifically Kai's argument per below
From what I remember, Kai's argument was resting on something that Font countered with the pre-game plan. Kai's issue with the counter was that she didn't push on the pregame thing. Font replies it was because she had limited access to the Forum during that time.
Kai did in fact say GD claiming is positive, so his fault is with her attitude about it + how she defended herself when people started pressuring her about it. What also pings me is that Kai prompted Font to explain that, rather than her bringing it about on her own with the light pressure. It's one of the spots where it feels like Font is being slippery with the defenses. As Lyrium or Riley put it earlier (I think?), she's throwing counters and going with what sticks

C) I don't see the dishonesty, which is why you see him as scum. There's a difference between different opinion / dishonesty / illogical, though alignment can be semi-independent of all 3. I see different opinion, but definitely not dishonesty. To bring up the wording thing, Kai's post looks genuine

#920
A) The point is she used the word, and it was during a time of rapid responses
B) There's a difference between throwing it out there and actively pursuing it. Kai's arguing if Font thinks it's superior from her pov, she should have pushed harder. As opposed to just throwing the statement out and one or two shorter posts calling for it. Ex: start a vote and say "let's get this done before game begin for whatever reason" etc.
C) I don't like the "rolereads" statement...

 

mood: annoyed

Then vote me asshole, dont fence sit/doublecast this shit to me. Im already stressed and pissed and im not going to have this type of shit put in front of my face.

You pick a side, im town or im not.

The last thing i want to deal with from you right now (or anyone) is shit like that. If your delibertly tring to bait me into reacting then heres how im going to react:

fuck off pissed. So chose now, I am town or I am scum. If you cant pick, im going to fucking ignore you.

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lyrim: can i answer? i might be able to

 

Alignments in my head

Fontisian\Blab\Riley\Snowvon\Bill

Titus\KaiDash\Atum\Rubicon\Citrus\Lucky

That leaves:
Polysemous, klackerz, ika

Poly probably on the Fonti line
Ika on both?
klackerz trying to seem neutral but leaning towards Fonti line

So let's adjust:

Fontisian\Blab\Riley\Snowvon\Bill\Poly\Klackerz\ika

Titus\KaiDash\Atum\Rubicon\Citrus\Lucky

Hmmm...okay

That leaves one Lyrium lost in the woods unable to find its way home.

 

In any world where I am still alive I continue to perfect my town reads and push to kill anyone whose not on them until either the game ends or I am dead. If KaiDASH flipped scum and you told us, I would also re-read to look for connections between him and other players.

 

font: do me a favor and pretend cirtus is scum

do that thing you did in B&T with me as scum

 

Ika: But that's sooo time consuming. Ugh, give me a couple minutes.

 

2) Because before you literally only had "He said he would solve the game" which is incredibly weak, especially when you later say Blab knows how to manipulate you. Yet you were confident enough to call him a never-lynch psuedo-conf town to you at one point

3) That's not how you presented it at all

Shitty reads? Where and how? It's incredibly easy to just go and throw vague stuff like that, you can be orders of magnitude more specific than that and I don't know you to be lazy. You could have just as easily said that when you made that post, but my point is that you didn't

 

well font missed what i was looking at:

if hes town: he can protect you from kill

if hes scum: scums NK you and it is basicly a scum claim

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he made it kinda easy overall tbh

 

ika, do you agree with my alignments thing?

 

What about me giving the bomb to one of Fonti/KaiDash and exploding it only if the other flips town?

 

Don't you dare try to get into a fight with me and don't you dare just say you're going to go and ignore me.

If I wanted to I would have voted you already. My vote is on Font right now because that's what I'm most comfortable with.

I don't know exactly what you are. My gut said town, but I could be wrong. I'm very worried about this possibility because of the potential role-fishing you may have setup. I want to figure out if it was on purpose or accidental. You also role claimed, and didn't fully understand the setup relating to the role you claimed, with a MAJOR issue there. That's not like you