WitchHunt #5

Citrus · Sep 22, 2015

fontisian said: ↑

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Found the witch.
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Can you give a reason or two to soothe my letting my vote off of Fluffiness (or the ever-not-here-@Kalas)?

I'm worried his massive buddying of me is clouding my judgment.

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Why never mind that question Atum
Also do you have reads outside townreads on widely townread players?

Vaimes · Sep 22, 2015

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Newcomb · Sep 22, 2015

fontisian said: ↑

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Found the witch.
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Okay, that's it. Your D1 pass of not needing to give reasons is over. Explain.

Citrus · Sep 22, 2015

I wish I were Newcomb so I could post a feisty gif or something like that

Vaimes · Sep 22, 2015

You just lack imagination.

fontisian · Sep 22, 2015

Atum said: ↑

Wow, that took too long.
@Citrus: Thanks for mentions and whatnot throughout the thread, the building guilt was a real motivator to finish getting caught up. Please don't hate me; I'll do better.
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"Oh, Citrus, thank you so much for calling out my lurking. Please don't scum read me for it."

Atum said: ↑

Anyway, I don't have any solid scumreads, but some of Newcomb's earlier posts felt kinda like he was actively searching for things to scumread and passing it off as experimental scumhunting. His few interactions with Menace seemed especially off, because he was scumreading posts that I was townreading for the most part, but for seemingly trivial reasons.
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"I know Menace is town."

Atum said: ↑

Citrus gets to be town for his analysis of Moridin-Von (another spot where I didn't like Newcomb's thought processes) and for the town leader role he's been taking up recently in his town games. The only thing that's off is his reaction to the lurkers, I'd expect Citrus to ask for more pointed input instead of tossing out mentions, but his content makes up for that discrepancy in his town game.
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"I'm townreading Citrus because he is the town leader." Please. Like town!Atum wouldn't be paranoid about any leader.

Atum said: ↑

Waco Kid's aggression over his last dozen posts or so seems genuinely frustrated, and it's been consistent between a number of different interactions with various players. Town lean for that, and solidified by his list of FoS's in 264.
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"Waco is town because everyone already said he is."

Atum said: ↑

I also have town leans on Von and Moridin after that spat. Moridin's early paranoia and pressure on Von looked exactly like the reactions to Snow back on mafiascum, and his continued reanalysis of the thread gives off a towny uncertainty of the game state.
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"I know it was two town fighting."

Atum said: ↑

@Snowvon/Citrus: Can y'all explain your votes on HF? Normally I'm all for running him up, but he seems pretty null so far if anything, though admittedly his reaction was lackluster.
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"I can't fake any scumreads, so I need an excuse to vote."

Kill him.

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Von, I love you. Marry me and we'll have tons of affairs.

Citrus · Sep 22, 2015

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I'm happy with my vote now, see you guys D2!

Vaimes · Sep 22, 2015

I'll be your Doublevote, fontisian.

<3

Newcomb · Sep 22, 2015

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Citrus said: ↑

I wish I were Newcomb so I could post a feisty gif or something like that
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Got you covered.

Atum said: ↑

Anyway, I don't have any solid scumreads, but some of Newcomb's earlier posts felt kinda like he was actively searching for things to scumread and passing it off as experimental scumhunting.
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Vaimes · Sep 22, 2015

This wagon. It pleases me.

Waco Kid · Sep 22, 2015

-A wild Atum appeared-

I'm heading out to work, will take a look at this either on break or tomorrow

Citrus · Sep 22, 2015

Don't forget:

Dead witches can Haunt = 1 town and 1 scum get priest reports flipped. Since I'm the Priest, I should keep that in mind when I make my check tonight.

Dead town = 1 perfect protection.

The following roles should claim if being lynched:

Holy (Priest/Acolyte)
Judge
DoB (lucky)
Oracle
Hunter
Loose Cannon
Nurse
Assassin
Gravedigger has (Cobalt)

So like almost everyone except: Apprentice, Survivalist, Gambler, Fanatic, Inquisitor

Should those 5 roles claim too? I don't know, someone else like Newcomb figure it out pls

Fluffiness · Sep 22, 2015

Votal ( 22 hours left)

Atum (4): fontisian, Snowvon, Citrus, Newcomb
Menace (2): Luckylee, Lungs
Kalas (2): Menace, his fluffiness
his fluffiness (1): Jan
Snowvon (1): Moridin
Moridin (1): Cobalt
Cobalt (1): The Waco Kid

Abstaining (3): Kalas, Tempus Fugit, Atum

Atum, if I understand correctly, your reads are this:
Town:
Waco, Citrus, Moridin, Snowvon

Null, but would vote if someone gave me an excuse:
Fluff, Newcomb?

Citrus · Sep 22, 2015

Newcomb said: ↑

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Vote: Atum

Got you covered.

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I know this game doesn't have lovers, but I may kill myself if you die. Js

Koalas · Sep 22, 2015

Its not everything he posted, just what I had flagged in my QT.

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Citrus said: ↑

While Fontisian's alignment isn't very apparent yet, these posts are town +EV. Your priest formally ordains them
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This rang some bells immediately upon reading it. It's a truly pointless post, and all the odder for Citrus having posted it. He admits as much in 189 after Waco called him out on it. It just reads as a very weird fonti interaction.

Post 207

Citrus said: ↑

I don't know him either, but I think he mentioned being new in the signups thread? New-players that roll scum tend to be MUCH quieter and withholding of thoughts/posts, and it ends up coming out looking a lot of the time as lurking. Especially because they're scared they'll say something that becomes a 'slip-up' or might help town players solve the game. Meanwhile Tempus has been pretty ?lackadasical? in tone in like all his posts. I don't think I've ever recalled a scum!new!player being that casual, though right now this site has a very casual early-game-meta like in this game thus far

Hmm actually he also did have knowledge of the previous witch hunt game a la Riley...

@Tempus_Fruit
What's your mafia experience? Were you an observer to the previous witch hunt game or when did you read it?

That's why I'm leaning town moderately on him (less so than Waco, more than Lungs)

This bugs me, new players are typically quiet regardless of alignment. Posting a lot instantly makes me suspicious. In addition to that, even though Citrus isn't sure of his experience, his early posts showed a detailed knowledge of the last game. A game where 2/3's of the scumteam got destroyed on lack of activity. That not even entering Citrus' thought process strikes me as weird.

Post 242

Citrus said: ↑

The point there is:
1) A large number of the game town-reads Snowvon
2) Moridin is suspicous of Snowvon in that post

Conclusions:
Town!Moridin is suspicious/paranoid regardless of everyone else's reads, doesn't want to get tricked
Scum!Moridin wants to make filler posts (like <1% chance Snowvon gets lynched today or something like that), or is trying to role-fish Snowvon. I can't think of any reason for Scum!Moridin to do that otherwise.

3) Moridin tried to push through RVS/get to 'real' posts faster

Conclusions:
Scum!Moridin doesn't make sense, because the above conclusion clashes with 3. He wants us to spend less time on 'filler', yet he posts 'filler content'? Like it's possible he's scum but I think it's much less likely due to the above now.

If he's scum I'd expect him to either have played along with the fluff OR attacked someone not widely townread.

This leaves town!Moridin

Like this isn't ironclad 100% figured out his alignment, but I think it does point in the direction of town
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While I do agree with the town Moridin view we once again have this situation of Citrus not considering everything. Scum can push on a town read and have it not be filler. Dominating the discussion for a while with something that doesn't go anywhere isn't even something I'd consider advanced scum play. Then he uses it in a logical leap for his town conclusion.

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Citrus said: ↑

Welcome to the town-block Newcomb. Though your tenure there is going to proceed under CONSTANT VIGILANCE after last game.

Snowvon
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Waco, Tempus
Newcomb
Moridin
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Lungs
=null=

I think this is where I'm at right now, with spacing to kinda fill in the spectrum with relative distances, as always.
@fontisian
Thoughts on my town-spectrum thus far? Dazzling or nah?
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That Tempus is anywhere near Waco's level confuses the hell out of me. The fonti buddying is noted.

This is long, so I answered within the quote block in red, if that's cool

Already misrepresenting my arguement, excellent start there my friend.

Thanks friend. It's why we have discussions on these things rather than writing them all in our QT's and never voicing them ya know. That post was for your benefit too ya know.

What I actually said was choosing one of the low posters that's a strong player is scummy. This is based on two reasons:

1) It gives you the appearance of pushing for activity without forcing you into early interactions with lurking scummates

2) By pushing on a stronger player you give the appearance of confidence and a less self-preservationist view point, two things that are massively read as town.

So where's the push on Menace Citrus? Or his fluffiness? Hell where's the Atum mention? Please point out where you actually care about getting activity up. I'll wait.

By your logic I should address every player that I think has low activity at once? Or is it if I exclude even one player they must be my secret scummate I'm avoiding interacting with? Turns out you pulled the short straw first, and I have to say it's been fun

An acknowledgement of the other players would be good yes, seeing how easy it is to get caught up in something and believably write off 'getting around to them'

What? Scum read and scummy actions are two separate things. One may lead to the other, a lot faster then you might expect, but they do not equate. What point are you trying to make here?

I can't tell if you meant they were scummy actions by any alignment players, or actions by scum-alignment players. That's what I was trying to distinguish, hence asking you to clarify

This is dumb. Scummy actions by any alignment players is obviously what I meant, if I thought I had a scum-aligned player nailed down my vote would be on them in 0.2 seconds.

(also equating yourself and Jan is bad. So stop.)

So why bring both of us up?

Because Jan was doing the same actions. You acting like actions are the same = the same motivations is what was bad here.

See above. Or the fact that your 'point' is refuge in audacity. Whatever works best for you.

Something something buzzwords, I don't even know what this means

It means you were dismissing something, not based on any inconsistency but that two scum players having the same opinion on something day 1 and pushing for it would be 'ridiculous'. Hint, it's not.

It actually occurs from RvS but thats semantics. I might not have contributed yet but you just wait Citrus. Its coming. Again with the buzzwords and, to use my own, buddying of Jan. You two are not the same.

I promise you I really am excited for it now, since you've promised its coming.

1 wouldn't be a healthy attitude. Good thing it doesn't exist anywhere outside your head. You asked me for my thoughts, I told you I hadn't read the thread closely, then I gave you what stuck out at the time cause guess what, getting mentioned sticks out! It even gives you this neat little notification in the top right. You'll see it in about five minutes.

That's fair that the only thing that really stuck out to you is stuff directly involving you, but it certainly didn't have me tossing town flowers all over you. I tend to work through the player base at my own pace, and it was your turn

Completely reasonable to question it. No one is arguing this. What I am arguing is why you are giving other players a complete pass on the same behavior? Cause funny story, me skipping RvS usually generates at least one interesting read one way or the other.
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Again, I'm not going to literally have a section for every single player in every one of my posts. And I know I tend to ignore some players unless someone specifically asks me to address them etc. because that's how I play the game. Like literally I always do that. You can go back to every single one of my games - my town games where I'm trying to solve the game, my scum games where I'm trying to fake it. Go look at the QT's, I can link them if you want. I slowly build up PoE lists of players as I consider them until I eventually hit everyone. That's a part of how I think when I play mafia games. So no, I'm not going to ping every player that has low activity, because then I'm going to get lost + won't be able to even follow all the players I'm interacting/engaging with.
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I have zero issues with this style of play, I tend to do the same. For reasons I stated I found it weird you started with me/didn't put a single other iron in the fire while we waited.

Also - why aren't you interested in pinging/addressing any of those players with low activity yourself? You seem to be all 'high-and-mighty' about how the proper thing for me to do is address them all, yet you aren't addressing a single one! Literally only addressing me, with a few snippets for Jan every now and then
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Because A) I wasn't caught up yet, I was merely responding to you. B) Throwing it back in my face with a little ad hominem zinger doesn't read well.

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Citrus said: ↑

I think I'm comfortable lynching anyone in your no reads/scumfeels zone apart from Jan and Tempus Snowvon. Also are your 'townfeel' reads in order? Like Menace more than Fontisian and Cobalt the weakest one?

I concur with Fontisian on Cobalt's claim, it's on the townier side of the spectrum, but only slightly. Would've preferred during pre-game but Cobalt barely posted after late night shenanigans so being late/not discussing the idea more turns out relatively null-ish in the end
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Post is reasonable, the fonti bit caught my eye but that's all.

Post 326

Citrus said: ↑

Ordained.

Unvote

Vote: His Fluffiness

Kalas gets to keep my Finger of Suspicion. My other 9 fingers are still fair game.
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Immediate lane change upon fonti changing her vote. Notable.

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Citrus said: ↑

This is so bad though.

I had a thought in my head but I just lost it.

It was something like you're frustrated with her lack of engagement rather than her coasting.

Like this read ok-ish, then I read it again and it sounded kinda forced, then I read it again and now it looks really forced.

Your first sentence isn't really angry at all. Then your second sentence suddenly is, but not quite. You're semi-insulting her with a hint of anger as opposed to being genuinely angry?
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I agree with the points but a soft defense of fonti is still notable.

I thought it was fair, but took it a little too far. A la correct but a smidgen over defensive.

Contingent on him following through, which he hasn't. My best guess is I'm pretty widely townread, so he just wants to not post then will night kill me or something if he's scum so he doesn't have to continue that argument with me
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The way this is said just urks me to no end. The wording really feels like a narrative push.

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Citrus said: ↑

As someone that's widely townread, but more because I'm the Priest, I ordain that Newcomb can be allowed into the town circle (still with CONSTANT VIGILANCE).

Mostly because of his linked images.

The interesting thing is there's a clear transition where Jan went from kinda-town read to scum-read over the past few pages. I'm not sure what that's indicative for. Town catching on to scum!Jan? Scum setting up town!Jan for the mislynch? Scum bussing scum!Jan? Town misreading town!Jan?

It's probably not a majority of scum bussing scum!Jan, and I doubt it's completely town misreading town!Jan either
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I don't like this post at all. The 'I'm widely townread' bs continues and the whole Jan bit reads as a massive case of pushing while trying to keep your hands clean.

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Citrus said: ↑

Is anyone else excited? Because I am

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Inb4 he said everyone can be scum

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You've ready stated something that I'm pretty sure is wrong and I can prove why, so I'm excited to see this incoming post
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Depending on what you can 'prove' I'll take it at face value. Until then this very much reads as a preemptive strike.

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Citrus said: ↑

I read him as scummy, and then I haven't read anything that has changed my mind.

I haven't seen anything scum!Fluffiness couldn't have posted. But I haven't even seen anything marginally difficult for scum!Fluffiness to have posted. I also think I saw a weird correlation between Menace and Fluffiness which goes both ways, and that screams aligned.

Atum is not on the table rn because dead slot being replaced.

Don't think I want to pursue lynching Menace right now.

Lucky slot isn't on the table (and I'm leaning town).

Fontisian is fontisian.

Jan should clear up more easily and I don't want to particularly lynch him today.

I townread everyone else.

And that leaves Kalas, whom I'm waiting on for a fabulous post. I really hope he doesn't spend the entire time iso'ing me though because I'd love to see something useful analysis etc. on someone else so I can see if I agree or not.

tl;dr he doesn't look town
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Town reading over leaning is very minor but speaks of a little too much confidence for me. And then this gem 'Gee I really hope Kalas doesn't do exactly what he said he'd do cause that'd be reallllllly useless'

Post 497

Citrus said: ↑

I basically don't try to determine fontisian d1 anymore
I believe there's enough players that know Jan that there should be a good consensus soon enough
Lucky is dob sooo yeah
I think I'd rather lynch fluffiness than menace since they could be aligned? Can you summarize your case again? I thought it was basically "he fence sits"
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Then there's this. I almost had this freaking post done then I reread this and had to reevaluate everything. Anything fonti has posted, any direction she takes you've been a second behind her nodding your head, pushing her Votes. And you don't have a town read on her? You're not even trying to read her? How the hell am I supposed to read this as anything other then scum interactions?

tl;dr Citrus is not putting nearly as much thought into things as you people 'massivley townreading him' seem to think. In fonti's case zero thought at all. Does no one see this?
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Vaimes · Sep 22, 2015

Holy fucking Kalas post

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Why on earth is everyone putting an underscore in Tempus' name.

Koalas · Sep 22, 2015

Starting the Tempus post.

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After I read Atum.

Tempus Fugit · Sep 22, 2015

The Waco Kid said: ↑

Tempus, since you missed/ignored my subtle hint, I'll be more direct. Top 3 scum reads from you please.

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Then talk about anything else in the meantime
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Very well my top Scum picks are (in no particular order)

Kalas: My opinion on him hasn't changed from my last read if anything I'm more certain that he's scum right now. For all his talk about me parroting he has yet to show anything either on me or Citrus.

His Fluffiness: His current participation feels forced, specially after he didn't seem to care when people started pushing him. He jumped the wagon with his Luckylee vote yet switched votes quite easily after a couple of people told him to.

Atum: I have nothing to go on. Yet his lack of posting worries me.
Edit after he showed up: His posting was vague and he is just repeating the trends. Will wait to see if he can build a case rather than vote him outright.

Neutral(leaning to scum)

Luckylee: Whimsical ha doesn't seem to care about the game at all or he's just pushing a front. Either way he's not going to be lynched today due to most players consensus, so I'll leave him here depending on further analysis.

Cobalt: Avoided replying to inquiries from other players for a long time, was very worried as being seen as scum for posting to much in a go, his game is a 180º turn from what is was last game. Yet he claimed as requested, and it is a role that has a 50/50 of being checked by the apprentice but even then he might be scum GD.

Lungs: I still have my doubts regarding him as stated in my previous reading. Since then he posted 7-8 times, only 3 of which had any serious though/analysis and even then the tone of the posts didn't convince me.

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Correction he hasn't posted anything on me yet, I'll wait for it though.
I'll check the post on Citrus.

Jan · Sep 22, 2015

You forgot survivalist citrus, because if we lynch that guy it is just noone dying and we just reduce 1 live.

I do not think that is a good idea day1.

Vaimes · Sep 22, 2015

Man, I sure do feel left out of the Jan/Atum/???/??? Coven. It sounds like a party.

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