LOL!
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I'd like to be paranoid and be like "well we don't know the undertaker is town, what if umami is scum and lying" but also idk

Kinda bummed Gemma gone, not really sure how I feel about the game atm

Gonna let Newcomb solve

Kaidash is a maybe yeah

Dunno
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like it's pretty lucky for town? if gravedigger, undertaker, priest, and the thing cobalt is, all rolled town?

but uh whatever

 

So you changed your mind and now agree to keep manasi around? Why...

 

basically the occam's razor situation where we just assume all claims are above board is that the only suspects left are myself, kaidash, mplus, and fluff?

i won't fight a lynch and yeah idk i think mplus is town, fluff i don't really know but haven't felt scummy, but maybe? and kaidash yeah idk maybe it's recency bias but he's dropped off so maybe
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(also it could still be newcomb)

 

how much trust do you put in fonti's reads?

 

I feel like you need to give a clearer base on those reads, Dels. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, especially with a Newcomb!witch possibility.

 

Tom was a witch?

Oh my god yes.

I'm so fucking stoked right now.

 

Just in case you skimmed over it, at the beginning we cleared newcomb cause he survived a witch's attack, but there was some discussion about whether they would use the illusion kill that early on newcomb

 

Is it better to trigger last stand early just to make sure that everything prior is the proper world?
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Like, should we just hardlynch Manasi and move the game to next day without a massclaim, so that witches don't get more information and then once we see last stand we know that the world was Jari/Tom/Manasi/x and we solve from there? Is it better to do that when we have the numbers to survive a few cycles of last stand, or should we fish for the final partner and then as soon as we see last stand we yeet Manasi for the win?

I'm not sure what's the proper mechanical play here. Pls advise.

 

Because now the "everyone is telling the truth" gamestate is that we know 3 of the 4 witches, and 2 of them are dead.

That's basically what I'm going back and forth on. I wrote and deleted some words about it because it feels too close to witch-coaching.

I need to think about this for a bit. Also need to think about massclaim. The two are connected-ish, I think?

 

@Newcomb I feel like there are definitely two options and the factors of them are set in stone.

If we lynch Manasi, we do not massclaim. Claims will only make it easier for last stand to definitely take out 2 people per night, where without them we have chances for saves.

If we don't lynch Manasi, we should massclaim to narrow the playing field for finding her partners because it makes it easier to look at who's telling the truth.

 

Yeah, that's just what I thought I said earlier with not wanting to trigger last stand by killing manasi

 

Didn't skim that much.

I'm aware of this and I'm still not sure why this a problem. It's mixing cause and effect and it was quite frankly strange to read. Just because Newcomb survived a kill does not mean he is mechanically a witch and quite honestly most posts after that involved a distinct amount of confirmation bias.

So, what else is Dels thinking about? Does he have a read that Newcomb is a witch, because this is the first time I've seen this mentioned in a while. These are all questions.

 

I actually think best mechanical play if we decide to lynch Manasi is to lynch one of Vaimes or Disquieted to narrow the PoE and let the remaining one yeet Manasi when their final Musketeer kill triggers.

I mean I am 95% positive that Vaimes/Gemma are/were both town but I think objectively that's the best?

It's the most optimal for letting the lynch narrow the PoE instead of just lynching someone we already know is a witch.
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@Newcomb pls advise

 

Mm. That seems about right, yeah.

I'm not really seeing what great benefit we'd get out of a massclaim other than like... being able to Judgelynch people and holding the DOB/LC accountable for their shots. That kind of matters less in this gamestate. And the downside is that Last Stand is going to take out 2 people a night guaranteed.
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Meh. Not crazy about plans that point KP at people we think are town. For the obvious reasons, and also because once you start putting out the mindset that lynching town is acceptable for mechanics/info, people are going to want to do that in the name of certainty over just like, lynching wolfy people. Basically it opens the door to unforced errors, as we saw in WitchHunt 5 where fonti and I convinced people to have the judge kill a town survivalist and have the Hunter aimed at someone and use the Angels as a cop check and shit.

 

Actually, I'd prefer if ONLY Gambler and Survivalist claimed.

If both are claimed by people who are not Newcomb, we have our last witch.

I see no flaws with this plan.

 

Bssed on the claims so far, there are currently only 4 people that scum don't have the roles for if I'm correct. (6 if you count the two musketeers)

 

It also narrows Manasi's role and lets us speculate which survival role(s) the witches have and thus which ones are town.

 

I mean, DOB is still out there so better to just kill an actual suspect and hope that if they're town there's at least a chance they're DOB and can take manasi down with them

 

WAIT

GUYS

I think I just solved the game

oh my god

 

No, its always correct to kill DoB at LYLO/MYLO.