Dude, what's LYLO/MYLO?

 

There's a flaw in that plan in that Manasi is probably one of those. This only works if Manasi is the Fanatic. If Manasi is either of them you give the witches a free Gambler or Survivalist for no equity.

 

well, don't leave us in suspense

 

The more I think about it, the more I'm favoring no mass claim here. Make witches either Role Kill claimed people and confirm worlds, or take their chances with the Angel save. Granted, until Angels outnumber Demons they can Haunt block, but it still seems a bit more safe down the line. Like, it doesn't really matter if we end the game fast, but if we're wrong a couple times I'd rather have the Angels be able to actually be a threat.

 

When you need to correctly lynch/not mislynch in order to avoid being overrun.

 

Incorrect

let me finish my post
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Hear me out.

Fanatic/Gambler/Survivalist claim.

If Gambler and Survivalist claim and they are both not Newcomb, Newcomb is the last witch.

If there is a Fanatic claim that isn't Manasi, a claim of Survivalist from Newcomb tells us that the last witch is exactly the Gambler because Manasi survived, and we can mass claim to find that after we get rid of Manasi.

The least optimal world is if Newcomb is the Gambler, because Manasi is Fanatic/Survivalist. In this world, it's possible Manasi's teammate has the other survival role. If that person DOESN'T claim, they are essentially witch claiming and we use the mass claim to narrow it down / draw them out. However, knowing that, that person will definitely claim, but we can use our judgment and see if the other of Fanatic/Survivalist fits into a Jarizok/Manasi/Tom/x world.
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The thing is, Newcomb can be killed either way if not this cycle, then the next. If he's Gambler he's odd and he can't die tonight but can tomorrow. If he's Survivalist, his life is up and he can die tonight. I am okay with giving up the equity for the other of Gambler/Survivalist if it catches us the last witch.

 

It's possible that Witches don't have any defense roles - If they had Hunter with no good fakeclaim then they could have used Illusion Kill on Manasi to fake the Hunter Kill.

 

I didn't think about this, but in that case, we just add Hunter to the role pool for my claim idea and can narrow it down as a potential world that way.
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And given that a randomized role list with 4 witches is highly likely to produce at least one defensive role and they aren't likely to throw it out, I'm pretty sure that's the least likely world out of all of them, Kai.
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Last witch in this world would be exactly Gambler or Hunter but the mass claim would give us a 50/50 as to the last witch and if we're wrong we lynch the other one and win anyway.

 

Uh.

The first scenario, sure. But I don't see that being likely and it involves Manasi being exactly the fanatic.

If there's a Fanatic claim that isn't Manasi. Manasi can still be the gambler. If I'm reading correctly Gambler protects themself and one other person when a witch. This means that the last witch could have a verifiable claim.

I don't know what equity the third world gives us.

Maybe I'm slow or something but I don't see how this helps.

 

This is why I would like a hunter claim, but I guess it doesn’t actually tell us anything concrete.

 

We currently know either witches have Hunter and used IK, or have at least one Defensive role.

 

Can we do it step wise? Like have Fanatic claim first, then survivalist, and Gambler last if we need it?

 

Wait, actually they didn't need to use IK - Hunter shoots fonti and they fail a role kill on Manasi.

Hunter + Defensive role is technically possible too.

 

This is a spectacular modification to my idea and rules out worlds as it goes along. I like this.

 

I believe Newcomb already ruled out idea of witches having hunter and using IK on Manasi
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Good point

 

@Disquieted Okay, let me flesh that out a little bit.

The first (but unlikely) world, Newcomb being the last witch, would require two people claiming Gambler/Survivalist that aren't Newcomb. If Manasi is Fanatic and Newcomb is not one of these roles, two village claims of Gambler/Survivalist shows Newcomb was IK'd and he gets caught. If Manasi is one of these, we wouldn't have two claims indicating that Newcomb didn't have a survival role. If Manasi has one of these roles and Newcomb has another unclaimed role as a witch, Newcomb would claim Manasi's role and the villager of the pair would claim their role. This would be discoverable through Gravedigger though so it is not a sustainable lie and witch Newcomb always loses there. It may mislead us temporarily but it would unravel in the long run.

In the second world, if Manasi is not the Fanatic, either Manasi or her partner are the Gambler, or Manasi is the Survivalist. Alternatively, the last witch is the Hunter, the witches have no defensive roles, and the Manasi kill attempt was fake. In that case, of scum having no protective roles, all the villagers would claim their protective roles (Fanatic/Gambler/Surv.) and we would know the last witch is EXACTLY the Hunter.
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Technically, yes. This requires so much brainpower and fuckery that I think it's 0.5% likely.

 

i'm basically not trying to say anything and wasn't intending to be clear lol

 

Then why say it?
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Eh these solves hurt my head and I feel like you have an idea of what you're going for. I still don't understand what we gain if Manasi is the Gambler.

 

sometimes you talk just for the sake of talking

 

True.

I guess I don't really have anything else to say since I've realised that you're looking for a place that isn't "Cobalt/shadow" w/w, I believe.