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WitchHunt 9

Discussion in 'Little Italy' started by Miner, Mar 29, 2019.

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  1. Jarizok

    Jarizok High Inquisitor

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    I'm not even gonna unvote.
     
  2. Newcomb

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    Kinda want to slap an NKA read on Gemma/tom here for that early meandering conversation but ehh, it's not actually at that level. Would maybe give a decent handful of townpoints to one if the other flipped wolf.
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    Man I was about to say "that's a really good mindset look" because it comes at Gemma from multiple angles of evaluating what she was doing, but then it's like, okay which alignment is actually hyper focused on the perception of themselves even when that's not the thrust of the thing you're evaluating, but then also maybe it's more of a player thing than an alignment thing?

    I know that's a bit of a ramble but this is actually a pretty interesting sentence.

    So like - Cobalt townreads Silver surprisingly strongly for early game, Gemma pushes back and says the counterfactual Cobalt's giving to say why wolf!Silver doesn't make sense is some weak reasoning, and then Silver himself jumps in to say that he liked that from Gemma because she pushed back against the read without trying to make Silver look bad.

    There's definitely some layers here. One thing is like - if Silver knows Gemma is town, this kind of thing is actually kind of a favorite wolf move of mine? You give someone townpoints / praise for "playing well" when the result of the move you're commenting on is that they're not wolfreading you when they could have. Kind of like... trying to subconsciously reinforce the idea that you're town without saying it.

    Despite that, my gut reaction to it is that it's town. I'm kind of reaching for the "why" there, think I'll have to sit with it a bit.

    At the very least I think it makes Gemma/Silver dubious as w/w because man that would be such a weird way to prop up a partner.
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    Does it really?

    The crux of the whole silver/fluff interaction was fluff going "Every passing post reinforces my vote" and silver jumping on that and pointing out that the first vote was implied RVS doesn't match with the comment making it seem more "real."

    I don't get how you think this is such a 200 IQ move from a wolf here, Cobalt. Jumping on people for jumping the RVS gun has been like, a staple of almost every game I've ever played.
     
  3. Dels

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    Isn't it the exact same interaction they had last game when they were w/w?
     
  4. Newcomb

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    Dels/Silver probably not w/w here.

    I like this line of questioning from silver a lot less than I did the Gemma thing. Kinda struggling to believe this is a real thought from silver?
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    I have no memory of that game. Was I in it?
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    Wow I had like the exact opposite gut reactions to both those things.
     
  5. Dels

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    You were the host and it was like, 3 months ago.
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    go away draft i don't want to post that stop
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    omg it doesn't go away even if i delete it and post something else
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    Okay, I figured out how to delete drafts.
     
  6. Newcomb

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    TinyHunt? Yeah I couldn't name what the scumteam was in that game if my life depended on it.

    If you want to link the interaction you're talking about, I'll read it, but it was a pretty soft not w/w read and I doubt it'd move the needle much unless it was /really/ similar, in which case I'm surprised you wouldn't be on the "surely they wouldn't be so obvious as to exactly copy something they did as w/w if they were w/w again" train, since that's kinda your meta-jam IIRC.
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    Can I get one sentence on each of these?
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    @fontisian I don't really see the point of this anymore but name a time
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    Yeah, this. I don't really read Gemma's alignment anywhere along the way as she's purely poking at Cobalt's logic and not really anything deeper or less neutral than walking him through his hypothetical, but I agree with what she's pushing on a basic factual level.

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    what the fuck
     
  7. Dels

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    I mean, sure, if you're curious:


    TinyHunt 9: TinyHunt IN SPACE
    TinyHunt 9: TinyHunt IN SPACE
    TinyHunt 9: TinyHunt IN SPACE
    TinyHunt 9: TinyHunt IN SPACE

    It is really similar. I don't think that's my meta-jam though, since that thought didn't cross my mind.
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    hey that's my profile! but i agree what the fuck?
     
  8. Newcomb

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    Man Dels we're like 3 for 3 in having the exact opposite reactions to things this game
     
  9. Dels

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    Sucks for me!
     
  10. Newcomb

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    And you think that's a villager thing from manasi?
     
  11. Dels

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    Wait a minute!

    It's not just "similar".

    It's the exact same thing!

    This wasn't a coincidence, it was done on purpose!

    Gemma!
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    Gemma, explain yourself at once.
     
  12. Newcomb

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    So one of the things I'm noticing in this manasi/fonti interaction is that I get the sense that manasi knows fonti is town.

    The "fonti already getting ready to shade me for my wolfy entrance" thing is kind of whatever, could see manasi posting that as either alignment.

    But it's the whole exchange about Gemma after that that gives me that vibe. Like, manasi is just kind of rolling over and not being prickly and just answering fonti's questions about the Gemma read in a pretty even-keeled way that seems to be missing any real questioning of fonti's motives or alignment. And when fonti keeps at it, manasi's first actual pushback is this - "Lay off a bit, yeah?"

    It's like... idk, I feel like if manasi actually was a villager and didn't know fonti's alignment, this exchange happens differently. The overall vibe/tone is very much fonti interrogator, manasi interrogatee, and I don't think villager!manasi puts up with that for more than like, a couple posts without a little more bite back then "lay off for a bit".
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    I'm just waiting for you to get to the part where you decide they'd never ever be so blatant to do it as w/w again.
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    @Vaimes @Gemma, what's wolfy about fonti this game?
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    Maybe a little yeah.
     
  13. Dels

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    I assumed. But I don't know her style.
     
  14. Newcomb

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    Alright, caught up.

    Weird game, very unlike my usual process where I get townreads and then just lynch other people. Can't really say I have any one strong townread at the moment, and I kinda do strongly want to lynch shadow and then manasi.

    Almost certainly not lynching Dels, fonti, or Gemma today but I'm not gonna call that a town circle.

    I guess maybe throw Cobalt into that pile if only for how stubborn he's being about the Silver thing? As a wolf he'd maybe be a little more open to addressing that massive blind spot of not seeing that his hypothetical for wolf!Silver has a way more simple alternative explanation.

    Something feels hinky about the fonti/Gemma/Vaimes grouping - kinda want all three to explain reads on the other two and then re-calibrate but I feel like I'm not quite getting something there.

    Super mixed on Silver; probably don't want to lynch toDay but he feels kinda self-aware in a bad way.

    I'm literally going to ignore Kai and Fluff and to a lesser extent Jarizok until such time as they start doing something that's counter to the meta-hell they find themselves through much fault of their own. If they keep doing their thing like they've done so many times before I'm going to just advocate for spamming them with night actions of all kinds until they're dead or confirmed an alignment.

    I'll explain the shadow read later if fonti still wants to post that at the same time.
     
  15. Dels

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    Nothing in those posts explained why I'm a certainly-not-lynch.
     
  16. Newcomb

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    Look at the gamestate. Then look at the player list. Then look at yourself. Then look back at the gamestate.

    You're not getting lynched D1 here.
     
  17. Dels

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    To be fair, when I am wolf, I am obvious enough to be lynched day 1.

    Also I just recently got lynched day 1 in a mash!
     
  18. Newcomb

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    If you're a wolf here, congrats, you've cleared the admittedly very low bar and avoided tripping over your own shoelaces enough to dodge the D1 lynch.
     
  19. Dels

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    If I was a wolf, I'd be delighted to hear it, since that'd be a huge worry of mine!
     
  20. tom

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    Good morning friends.
     
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