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WitchHunt 9

Discussion in 'Little Italy' started by Miner, Mar 29, 2019.

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  1. Fluffiness

    Fluffiness DA Member

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    Please, I know exactly how to use my role.
     
  2. Dels

    Dels Muggle

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    I used my role as perfectly as a role can be used.
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    Anyway, Kai, now that it's out in the open, could you explain why you're opposed to activating yourself to kill someone else in the PoE? (Or Manasi)
     
  3. Disquieted

    Disquieted Muggle

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    I imagine Kai has activated already.
     
  4. KaiDASH

    KaiDASH Auror DLP Supporter

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    Unlikely to be scum
    Vaimes
    Disquieted
    Newcomb

    Plausible
    Umami (more likely)
    Del
    muzjik (less likely)

    PoE
    Kai
    Shadow
    MP7
    fluff
    Cobalt

    Written in the Death Note
    Manasi

    This is how I'd put the game right now, from an outsider pov. I think optimal play is to Nurse a musketeer (Newcomb should randomize the selection).

    Plan Kill Manasi Last
    d3: -2 PoE (LC+1), -1 Newcomb
    d4: -2 PoE (DOB+1), -1 dels
    Livelist: mp7, manasi, del, umami, vaimes, disquieted
    d5: -1 PoE, nk's are irrelevant, assume -1 Umami/Muzjik
    Livelist: manasi, GD/UT, vaimes, disquieted
    result: Town loses if any in GD/UT, Vaimes, DQ is a witch, win otherwise.

    Plan Kill Manasi First A (and there is 1 living Witch)
    d3: -1 Manasi, -1 muzjik, failed rolekill on Vaimes
    d4: -2 PoE (LC+1), -2 Vaimes, DQ
    livelist: Newcomb, Umami, Del, mp7, fluff, Cobalt
    d5: -1 PoE (mp7), -2 Newcomb, del
    livelist: Umami, fluff, Cobalt
    result: Town loses if Umami is a Witch, win otherwise.

    Plan Kill Manasi First B (and there is 1 living Witch)
    d3: -1 Manasi, -2 muzjik, successful rolekill on Vaimes
    d4: -3 PoE (LC+1, Musketeer), -2 Newcomb, DQ
    livelist: Umami, Del, fluff, cobalt
    d5: -2 PoE (DoB+1)
    result: Town loses if Umami or Del is a Witch, win otherwise.

    (I'd assume they fish for a musketeer rolekill relatively early, but it's possible they choose another line I guess. I don't think they win using a line where they don't kill the musketeers though, unless one of them is a witch)

    Plan Kill Manasi First (and Witches are Umami+PoE) (also works for muzjik+poe)
    d3: -1 Manasi, -1 Newcomb
    d4: -2 PoE (lc+1), ????????
    Actually who the fuck knows what's going on here, it's impossible to make any kind of projection as to what is likely because Last Stand depends on when exactly their PoE buddy kicks the can, and they could elect not to use it in order to continue the PoE lynch train.

    Anyway I think this shows we comprehensively win if it's Manasi+1 PoE no matter what line we take, but in a GD/UT+1 world the optimal line is to lynch Manasi first and then the remaining players play on from there.

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    I don't think that 'Solo PoE Witch fakes a GDUT+1 world' is particularly concerning either.
     
  5. Cobalt

    Cobalt Third Year

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    Great so then you’ll understand why we want you to fire into Manasi and will murderize you for not doing so.
     
  6. KaiDASH

    KaiDASH Auror DLP Supporter

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    While I can understand that you enjoy unnecessarily gloating, your complete inability to actually make a nuanced read in this spot is incredibly grating considering that you should have the experience to actually see what's gone on.
     
  7. Cobalt

    Cobalt Third Year

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    No, YOU comprehensively understand the bigger picture and, if village, should have no problem complying with the general wishes of town in regards to your role.

    There is no real reason for you to refuse, knowing you’re in the PoE, unless you’re a witch.

    There is nothing un-nuanced about this and your condescension is forgiven considering the fact that you’re trying to manipulate me.
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    And if I’m really that grating then lynch me yourself. Except you know I’m not a witch, which is why you’re attempting to use faked frustration with my “inability to make a nuanced read in this position” which doesn’t really jive with me being a potential witch at all. You’re frustrated at Townbalt being obstinate, and I have absolutely no reason not to be considering you were the priest’s top suspect and my mechanical top suspect.

    Deal with it or kill me.
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    I almost wish Font had sat on that red check and checked you the night after because it would’ve been game over. But I think she knew she may not have that long.
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    And the fact that you didn’t really try or get involved the entire game until you made a case for your role not to fire today to push town away from that direction before you claimed just makes it even more obvious. Your effort is admirable, but inconsequential.
     
  8. KaiDASH

    KaiDASH Auror DLP Supporter

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    The only relevant town opinion.
     
  9. Cobalt

    Cobalt Third Year

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    Like, what kind of fragile ego do you think I have that “you should know better because you have the experience” would work on me?

    Gee golly gosh, yes of course I want to be just as good of a player as someone like Kai thinks I am!!! I better shape up and figure out the real witch, because it sure isn’t him!!!
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    You keep referring to town as if you aren’t in it.

    I wonder why.
     
  10. KaiDASH

    KaiDASH Auror DLP Supporter

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    That would be good, could you try this?
     
  11. Cobalt

    Cobalt Third Year

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    Come on, even if you were town you would know that SHAMING me into submission is most definitely not a Thing That Works.

    You’d have no reason to try it as a villager because you’d have nothing to lose. The only reason you are is because you NEED me to let up for the sake of your longevity.
     
  12. KaiDASH

    KaiDASH Auror DLP Supporter

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    You gotta get your kicks somehow, you know?
     
  13. Cobalt

    Cobalt Third Year

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    Lol.

    Good effort.
     
  14. Vaimes

    Vaimes Fifth Year

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    I somehow don’t think Kai is a witch.

    Must mean he’s scum. :V
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    The team is never Kai/Manasi/Jarizok/tom, imo. Kai wouldn’t bother.
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    (Also as the scum!LC and last living coven member, game is unwinnable.)
     
  15. Disquieted

    Disquieted Muggle

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    I deeply care about the outcome of this contest.
     
  16. Cobalt

    Cobalt Third Year

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    If Kai won’t fire today we can lynch me to kill Manasi and then you lynch him tomorrow no matter what.
     
  17. Disquieted

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    For the record I have had reasonable time to sit down and think about this and yes, Loose Cannon should activate. I'm not sure on Manasi or on someone else, though. Kai's got some good analysis, I guess.

    I sleep.
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    Every time I attempt to type a sentence I feel more and more internally frustrated.
     
  18. Cobalt

    Cobalt Third Year

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    @KaiDASH

    Not firing on Manasi is a scum claim and will be exterminated with extreme prejudice.
     
  19. KaiDASH

    KaiDASH Auror DLP Supporter

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    Consider the following before day ends
     
  20. Disquieted

    Disquieted Muggle

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    I agree with that.
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    Honestly I don’t understand the rush, Cobalt. Kai isn’t going anywhere, this day is going to end up as a Loose Cannon or shadow judges Kai out of the game if necessary. Relax a bit. There’s no need for such emotional threats.
     
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