That's not a possible team because Shadow is mechanically a villager though.

A Shadow scumteam requires me to be on the scumteam, that's where your logic isn't working out.

 

Sadly we ran him up and lynched him while he was asleep and he never even knew he became a wagon.

rip us and a very deserved loss if jari was town and priest lol
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...I was speaking about my hypothetical from the past. It's in the past tense. >_> And the paragraph is explaining why that theory is wrong. You're agreeing with me.

 

Oh, okay. Sorry, I'm in class and not paying much attention to details, I thought I was seeing something different.
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@Dels also Jarizok cannot be priest because he's confirmed Musketeer by 2 others.

So, I'm putting that to bed. lol

 

Jari Priest requires the exact team to be fonti/Muz/Vaimes/Gemma.

If Jari was the Priest, then Muz is lying about him being a musketeer, and that means Gemma and Vaimes have to be covering for that lie.

And that's like... not a real world.

 

Oh.

Right.

Yes. Musketeer.

Duh.

How silly of you Cobalt, to theorize that Jari was priest.

 

Like it would require a coven of exactly Font/Muz/Gemma/Vaimes rolling all three musketeers and throwing only one of them out to lynch Jarizok D1 as priest and then pass him off as a dead musketeer.

It's so implausible that I'd gladly take the L to that team.
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@Newcomb wow sick xpost. Lmfao

 

Shut up Newcomb I knew that I didn't forget anything
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That said, Shadow being town isn't the worst thing in the world

Because quite frankly, that Jari lynch came out of nowhere and there's no way the scum saw it coming, and they probably didn't even expect it to win out

So I say bonus towncred for Jari voters

(Yes that conveniently includes myself)
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I haven't thought about it but it's just so hard for me to believe Kai is a wolf that bussed Jari out of nowhere, and MPlus had a correct vote on Jari when he was fully positioned to vote Shadow (and things were so tied that his vote was an important swing, I believe?)

for MPlus to be scum, he'd have had to have a strong enough feeling that the wagons were gonna swing and he wanted to be on the right side

I haven't thought about this enough to give you a "new" answer though (i.e. my answer would just be "fluff i guess" which is exactly what it'd have been 24 hours ago) so I'll need some time before I can really say if anything else changes, I am still processing this world-shattering info tbh
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did i... quote the future...?
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Okay, long overdue, here is a quick reference of most of MPlus' progression on Shadow and Jari

Spoiler

In my opinion, he is perfectly set up for a Shadow vote. There's no reason he has to change to Jari. But he does. If Shadow is town, MPlus could have stayed on him, no problem. No one would have found it particularly strange.

This is the first votecount I can find after Mplus's vote.

In other words, if this is correct, he becomes the vote to put Jari into the lead.

So... it doesn't look like he's a wolf...

 

Hey Dels, if the team is Jari/Manasi/Tom, who do you think could be a fourth teammate?

Like, PoE wise, Kai / Fluff / Umami / M+7 are the only ones who fit in that world. I hope the game is that easy.

 

@Dels Whoa the page reorganized like that for me too, it put your post above mine even though mine was made first.

Weird. I felt like we went into a time machine.
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How do you feel about a Jari/Manasi/Tom/Fluff team though if Fluff snap-votes Tom after I out with info that Shadow is a villager?

He could just not post and consult his team to see what they wanna do. Unless he's just deciding to bus for cred.

 

Not only that, but you have two posts in a row! With no automerge!

You must be a witch!
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I don't weigh fluff voting tom as anything at all tbh. If they are scum together they both know they are next on the chopping block and at that point it's a toss up on if they defend each other or bus each other, but considering they were already bickering earlier, it's kinda whatever, idk which they'd do.

 

Unless this is a wild world where scum rolled Oracle, which is possible... but eh.

I very much doubt Kai or M7 are scum.

 

Also based on what fonti (and newcomb) said about how fluff plays as a wolf (i.e. the way he jumped on the shadow sametime cases being what he'd do if they were w/w) it sounds like fluff is a very intentioned scum who generally controls how he is going to distance from his buddies, and always has plans in mind, so voting a buddy there absolutely fits.
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cobalt is a very cute and fluffy absol and is being very friendly understanding boi at the moment but i just really don't think any of our towncore are wolves or that kai or mplus are, so if the newcomb tinfoil is wrong then the team should be 2 of 3 of tom/fluff/maaaybe umami and if not then maybe it really is cobalt doing the desperation play.
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Also sorry Cobalt but can you answer this?

And on day 1 it wasn't worth outting either? I feel like proper Oracle play would be to just claim as soon as your person becomes a major wagon.

 

If scum rolls Oracle they always throw it away for a different role because that's a thing. They know who all the villagers are.

I could be scum and not the Oracle, but that would be Jari / Manasi / Cobalt / Shadow exactly. Jsyk.
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I did say I was initially willing to just let Shadow die, only because we're already ahead with Jari dying D1 witch and I had some idea in my head about getting an angel for priest protection so we could get another check or just to mess with potential NK's

Then I thought about it further, and decided I'd rather play it differently.
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Plus, having your green peek be universally consensus witch from the entire thread the whole game is kind of annoying so it was like meh he's not helping himself so why should I bother? I didn't like his giving up attitude.

But then I decided I'd just out with it and hopefully things would improve and he seemed really remotivated right off the bat so let's see where that goes.
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I didn't see this section before, I just lul'd.

 

I guess I find that slightly weird because to me I'd always take the straightforward play of saving a townie, which is what the Oracle role is literally designed to do.

But I also think if you're scum, to have already voted Shadow and then change your mind would be like... really really weird, and only makes sense if Shadow and you were talking in scumchat and he said "no! take the vote back, claim oracle, please" and you were like "ok fine"
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Also yeah the thing is if it's a Cobalt/Shadow team do they even win with this? We mislynch tom and fluff, the game still doesn't end, then what? I guess they hope for a mislynch on me and/or muz, maybe kai or mplus, meh.

 

Considering the last WH we played here had Cobalt outing as Watchman with a green on Reg (truthfully) and that being like, heavily contested, I'm at [x] doubt on him trying it as a witch here considering the gamestate.

 

If I'm a witch with Shadow I actually benefit from him dying because I am in relatively decent positioning to pull off a few cycles of Last Stand for the win.
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Oh my god, I had erased this from my memory and now I'm triggered.

 

This doesn't mean scum didn't roll oracle... also, I don't think Shadow necessarily has to be scum if you are.

But let's not waste time talking about this because I believe you are town!

I think Tom = Fluff > Umami = Dels have the most wolf equity.

 

That's great. Can you talk a little bit about Umami? There's plenty in contention about the other three but I haven't really heard anyone who strongly feels Umami might not be town.

 

I've said it many times I believe. I think he got wrote off d1 for a town slip, and I don't really put stock in things like town slips. He has been very low content and spent most of his game pushing Dels.

Though if Dels is scum, which is now a possibility, Umami is likely still town.

 

Muz in all seriousness can you explain why it makes sense for me to push a lynch on Jari on day 1 when I could've voted Shadow?

I'm not saying this to start a fight or anything, it's just I don't really think there's much of a case for me being scum other than "not ruled out mechanically and technically he could be a ruthless busser"
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Wow wait the last witch gets two nightkills a night????????

I didn't realize that??????

What is this setup and why is it so hard?????
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Also yeah this is probably true in general. There's sort of an expectation vs reality thing here. As this game has proven (with claims fron Muz, Fonti, Cobalt, and even your fake death), the town will generally just accept a claim like that, because they feel silly tinfoiling it, and they just wanna occam's razor.

But that doesn't mean a scum planning that move will think "ez, we can just fakeclaim an info role, lie about a result, and we'll be believed no problem!", they will for sure be nervous and terrified it won't work, so it's not very likely they try it in most cases