Deadline is tomorrow.

 

I don't think so either. I'm aware that got heated but it was about the game.
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thank you lol
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Okay, well, keeping the theoretical deadline in mind, does it bother you that we're both voting Tom together?
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And also, I do believe Umami was talking about feeling like you were suddenly pushing them.

Unless you believe the team is both me and Umami, that's at least one townie who interpreted your reeavaluations as being quite sudden. So I'd ask you to consider that it's probably a valid feeling for at least one of us to have felt like you turned on us.

 

No I just don't want to read you and muzjik tunneling each other.

 

Things that aren't productive: two people having a slapfight in which they call each other witches.

It's like, are you really going to convince the other person that they are a witch?

Spoiler

I didn't actually read much of dels-muzjik but I assume that's what was going on

 

I didn't start trying to "bury you" though, I made one post about you and your reaction is what triggered what came next. Are you saying that my "Could Muz be a wolf?" post is what counts as me 180ing?

I will grant that you did reorganize your PoE much earlier but maybe it took me a while to catch on and it suddenly felt like I was a clear suspect for you when, in my eyes, I shouldn't have been.

 

I've had Umami in my lynch pool for most of the day, and I was the first person to call her maybe not lock town. Nothing sudden there. I also didn't push her.

And no, you voting Tom with me doesn't bother me. That's not really how I read.

 

I don't think Muz is a witch and I'm not trying to convince him he's a witch. I asked a question and he responded and then that happened. I asked the question with the intent of other people answering "yes that's a good catch" or "no I don't think so"

I take it the answer is "no i don't think so"

 

yea Dels again please don't read my reply as angry or anything, its just my argumentation style.

 

Also

Regarding this:

What are you counting as "on the wagon" though?

Because for me when I say I don't think anyone bussed Jari, I mean the people who made the wagon a wagon.

I take it (from memory and from the fact you didn't mention them) that tom and fluff both jumped on at the very end.

If tom or fluff are scum, I don't count that as "someone bussed jari"

I basically count it as "someone bussed jari" if it was someone who voted before EoD came and Fonti made it the lead and forced everyone to vote for it
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I don't mind the big long reply 'cause we all did that but I wasn't really happy to have my initial question answered with what felt like snark. Which is why I responded in kind. I apologize.
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For the record the reason I'm even really looking into it (or rather, that I had the thought) is because while I am A-ok with lynching tom and think it's a relatively likely hit, I'm far from sold on Fluff being a witch, and not really convinced I should be suspecting Umami. So I am a bit mystified on where the last one is. Newcomb doesn't make sense as a wolf if it wasn't the "obvious" team, and obviously I trust Gemma and Vaimes.

 

This is why I'm suspicious of you, my friend. You are less townie than Gemma, Vaimes, Newcomb, Font, Cobalt, Shadow, and I'm sure more I'm not remembering off the top of my head. This is a very narrow PoE. Especially when I town read M7 Kai etc.

And yea, I don't consider Tom or Fluff bussing if they're on the tail end of the wagon, but I'm just saying scum are guaranteed to have at least voted. And that doesn't take away that if you look at any day 1 lynch on scum in a mafia game of at least 13 people, I doubt you could find even one example of a pure wagon. I would also bet almost always at least 1 scum pushed the lynch kind of hard.

 

Like, come on, does anyone think Umami has the confidence as a wolf to call someone pushing him comedic?

Muz may feel that calling someone scum for pushing you is wolfy (aka what I did and what Umami is doing) but I find it hard to believe that if Umami was wolf, she'd have the confidence to suddenly start shading Muz here. I feel Umami would be more likely to just ignore and keep doing her own thing.

 

I don't think Umami is a super likely hit, but I also don't think Tom or Fluff are either. That's why this is a difficult spot and I'm looking at people like you.

 

Isn't the whole reason people were suspecting tom because he looked bad on shadow witch teams?

 

That is fair and we are in the same boat, but I felt it should've been a "well Dels drops by default but isn't really suspicious", not that I was actually like, a suspect suspect. Though you did say the bussing thing earlier. (Okay that's a lie we're not in the same boat, you have an info claim and I don't)

I mean, sure, but this game has majority lynch and that changes the situation, as does the fact that Shadow was such an easy target that scum would not have felt the need to go out of their way to bus, imo. Remember, it is flipless. For all the scum know, the gravedigger could a) be jari, b) be killed n1, c) could not claim d2 and then die, d) could claim d2 and not be believed. So I don't think they'd be so eager to lynch a skating-by Jari when they might not even get credit for it. That's why I think the people who pushed Jari before the EoD rush are town. And why I think I should be considered town with higher weight than you currently are.
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I mean tbf the reason we were suspecting Jari was because he looked like he was saving shadow, and look how that turned out for us! If it works it works!

 

interesting pronoun change

 

No, I said I thought it looked like he was treating shadow like he knew he was town.

 

Dels, you doubt my confidence? What?

 

Also, Jari isn't confirmed mafia.

 

Muz dug up Jari's grave at night and found out he was a witch, right?

 

Seriously? Stop.