In and of itself, it's reasonable. With the connection to Klackerz and Klackerz' connection to Sirion, it's scummy.

Aekiel, what do you think of mishie?

 

I think he's derping like Eido on court.

 

Can you elaborate on that?

 

There's not much more to say about it, really.

To me it looks like he suggested an idea he thought was decent, but which came out as reading scummy. He then answered the questions he was given with decently written responses, reciprocated in kind, and held up well to the barrage without showing any obvious scumtells. That is, at least according to my read.

 

He's referring to GODwitchhunt, in which Eido made the worst calls. By the worst calls, I mean the Worst Calls. D: @Aekiel

I AM THE IRON GENERAL LUNGS, COME@ME SCUMZ.

Also, I am 100% not satisfied to how Moridin responded to my wall >_>

I'm going to go ahead and paraphrase Sartre - you are what you are and nothing else. I think you're scum. Saying that you thought Klackerz was scummy after the fact in a completely (and yes, I do think it is completely) reactionary manner is not legit.

YOU WALLIN' BOY. But really.

I want you to stop defending yourself and start posting about your scumreads/tellreads because I don't think that we're going to be able to glean any more useful information from the reactionary stuff.

But questions you should answer:

1. Who should the angels protect tonight?

2. Who should be priestchecktarget?

3. Who should Court Kill?

4. Who do you think is scumkilltarget tonight?

I'm rereading/rolereading and I need it now!

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ebwop: Err, @stojil, not @aekiel, the first bit >_>

 

Ahh, yeah. Eido was partly responsible (along with the rest of the court) for the deaths of the Priest, Nun and Town!Judge, and indirectly responsible for the Bishop, Gravedigger and Sunlight Pagan. Major fucking derp.

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Let it also be said that it was blindingly obvious that the Judge was town (mostly because I didn't log back on to change my vote to something less obvious), but he still went ahead with killing me.

 

You just can't compare Scum King!Eido with this game's mishie. They were completely different kinds of derps. Like, nothing alike, really.

Rescind vote.

Vote: mishie

Because he's being protected, he's scummy for in-game reasons and slightly scummy for metagaming reasons.

 

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I didn't mean they were exactly alike. It was a metaphor. As in 'Mishie derped so hard it reminded me of Eido in GOD-Witchhunt'. I'm disappointed that I have to explain this to you.

 

They are nothing alike. NOTHING. You are comparing apples to bananas or something.

Lungs, where did mishie make a bad call? What is mishie "calling", really?

And can you answer the question about mishie's phrasing? Why exactly is it a town-tell?

 

Oh, I was just explaining Aekiel's point, not commenting on it.

You've claimed to not like the "we" stuff, but the way people refer to the collective is probably important.

Now take a look at #437 - the specific reactionary directive means that he's defending himself and not an invisible collective. Not a towntell, per se, but it's nullread that indicates that he has no communication.

Meanwhile, he could be purposefully doing that - stuff like that.

 

They're both fruit.

That also happens to be the extent of the metaphor.

 

@Sesc: Go back to your posts. Pick out what you think the scumtells are. Explain why you said what you said.

 

1. I'll admit that Fenraellis' kill threw me for a loop. If he was court, then I suppose he should protect one of his courtmates, whichever one he feels is likeliest to be targeted. If not, then I suppose he should protect whoever he sees as town. I'd protect KaiDASH or possibly Aurion.

As for Geabe, well, I'm still pretty sure he's scum so not going to speculate on motives there.

2. The priest should probably check me, or Klackerz (if he survives today). Lungs, Kai, Eidolonic and Sirion (and possibly Mishie) are all good options as well.

3. Court will have a bit more information than me, but I'd advise them to target outside the court for now unless they feel they are in danger of being overrun by witches. With that in mind, I'd probably vote to kill Klackerz, or Lungs.

4. Like I said, Fenraellis' kill threw me for a loop. If he was in court, they are likely to whittle it down further, especially if they have a chance at gaining majority. If not, then possibly another random kill designed to throw us off - though they probably won't go for anyone with any suspicion against them, like myself, Lungs or mishie.

Also, since I said I wouldn't mind doing this and he hasn't really done much to dissuade me...

Vote Lynch: Klackerz

 

Yeah, I agree that #437 is a null-read. But this is the scummy post:

And you said:

So it is the "we" thing. I think it's just a stupid reasoning (whoever remembers Dresden1 knows) but whatever.

 

Um...wut?

1. I admit that, looking back, I have two posts that bear some similarity to those of klackerz, but note that in both cases, he posted AFTER me. AKA, I am not echoing him. They're also pretty minor issues - why people were voting against StrikerLee and wondering about the king/queen/duke situations as they relate to Fen.

2. My grammar is bad? Really? I enjoy using odd phrasings sometimes, but I assure that they're (mostly) grammatically correct.

3. All I talk about is Mishie and I'm super-aggro against him? I made one post about him, and even agreed with him on one point. The only part I got "super-aggro" over was the part where he said that he had suggested that the court rep only reveal in super-important situations, when he clearly hadn't. I called it backpedaling, which is obviously super-agressive I was far more aggro vs. StrikerLee.

I do agree with the majority of your reads, but you really need to re-read my posts, I think.

 

Actually, I'm beginning to wonder if we should be looking at those who went against Mishie's idea more than Mishie himself. While it is a bad thing for the Court to lose members early, how can we be assured that there are no Witches on the Court already, thereby negating the only disadvantage of there being a Court Representative? Hell, even if the Queen reveals an even number of scum on the Court, that doesn't tell us whether there are zero/two/four scum on Court.

Personally, I don't like the insinuation that keeping info from the rest of town is a good idea. The uninformed majority here need as much help as they can get in pinpointing scum, and I recall many of those who went against the idea have in previous games argued for as much information being made public as possible (excluding things like day 2 priest reveal, obviously). It just strikes me as strange that the Court has completely ignored the idea that there are scum on board already, in which case hiding the information gathered by the Court is a terrible plan.

 

See above Aekiel. The Court can have scum members without the Coven having any idea who's who. Which is the base of the problem people had with mishie's proposal, not that more information was available but that it was a 'kill the messenger' set-up when there easier/more +town ways of getting said information out there.

 

Ugh, I'm thinking this over now, and it's just occurred to me how much of an advantage scum have over the Court. I don't want to mention it just in case they've already twigged to it, but god fucking damn.

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Scum have a huge advantage here. This is unbelievable.

 

The problem I had with Mishie's idea wasn't so much the idea itself but the timing of it. There may come a time when the court wants to share any info they may have, but I can't see why they would do that until late in the game And while yes it is probably best for info to be shared around, what info are the court going to have, that no one else does, by the start of day two. Mishie suggested handing a member of the court to the scum on a plate, when the scum might not even know who is on the court, when there is no real benefit to it at this stage of the game.

Also less than a day left in day 2 and still noting from Lochness, Playpus_Assasin or Lutris. Come on people start to post.

 

@Lungs: I rushed though your Wall o' Reads™ the first time and saw you critiquing grammar, and I was like "wtf does proper grammar have to do with anything? Scum can proofread too!" But now I get it. And I'd say it's more a lack of grammar on my part rather than questionable grammar. As for why, I guess it's just how I post. I don't really think about whether I'm using proper terms that much - I just use what sounds best in the sentence. In other words, my first instinct is for grammatically correct rather than proper grammar, if that makes any sense.