I'm not sure whether to be insulted or not that you think I haven't considered it.

 

Aurion makes sense

DIE YOU POSSIBLY SCUMMY FELLOW : KAI

 

Thank you for that, Gambit. Anything you have to say on, for example, what I said? Or maybe point some fingers others haven't already straightened out and aimed for you?

A lot of people have said Kai is scummy. What do you think aside from that?

 

testing? char

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Finally. God damn. Okay, I'm going on vacation starting tomorrow. Kind of a bad time. I'll be airporting most of tomorrow, but I'll have internet access just wont be around a lot.

 

/me raises an eyebrow

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Oh okay just saw the second post lol.

 

I'm for lynching Kai - even if he is the Spy, we should still get the vigilante kill, so it won't be a total waste. And yeah, he has every incentive to lie about his role, especially since he's trying to finagle Angel protection, which could go to an actual town player.

However, there's nothing inherently wrong with a Spy going public at this point since the JWs will know his identity anyways as soon as they join the Coven (seeing as we had Bishop confirmation of Coven identities).

 

this. I've been playing specifically to last to this point. This means buddying with my scumreads rather than pursuing them. Like, I needed scum to be absolutely unable to see me as a spy too after the 'free days' of day 1 and 2.

Anyway, I'm going to die tonight without help, since there's no way angels haven't protected me at this point. I think the most +town thing that could be down now is for the BoD to let us lynch them and grant me the life.

Also Moridin, the only way aekiel could be scum at this point is if he is fakeclaiming vigilante OR you've been lying out of your ass about basically every witch lynch ever - i view you lying as impossible and aekiel fakeclaiming vig as pretty dam unlikely.

@coleam - spy reveal today is the only viable option since I'm dead tonight.

 

Killing the last spy in exchange for a Vigilante kill is a complete and total waste in my honest opinion. Not saying I believe Kai, but then any reason I have to not believe him is more a testament to why I should give him a shot, isn't it?

Frankly, unless you guys have a better idea as to who is the spy (in which case you should say so because the JWs will find out tonight anyway and the Angels need to know who they should protect), I see no reason why Kai has to die tonight. He lives through the night, and gives us a coven.

Scenario 1: He is the spy and gives us the real coven.
We lynch them and deduce from the lack of a vigilante kill/my info if I last that long that he is telling the truth.

Scenario 2: He is the spy and gives us a fake coven.
Wut.

Scenario 3: He is a JW and gives us a fake coven.
Subscenario 1: We first lynch a townie.
The vigilante kill/my info will reveal that this happened.

Subscenario 2: We first lynch a JW that Kai decided to bus.
We got a JW in exchange for tentative approval of Kai's plan, and the next day leaves us back at the start of this scenario, except with one JW down.

Scenario 4: He is a JW and gives us the real coven.
Wut. But nothing to say we can't take advantage of this, it's basically Scenario 3 repeating to Subscenario 2 again and again, and when we've exhausted the list and the game isn't over, we realise he lied and lynch him.

 

Words cannot accurately describe my utter scorn for what you're saying, Moridin. We're going to need to have a talk about handing scum players lifelines when this game ends.

And seriously, no, we are not lynching the BoD to give your witch ass an extra life, Kai. Get out.

 

;_;

Anyway, I have a question: would lynching a spy count towards a villager Vigilante's count? We might have already covered this with the lovers, sorry, but was just curious.

 

I'm not sure. Not much point to a Town Vigilante if killing Town players doesn't add to the count, but it'd potentially be a really obvious spy tip in certain situations if Vigilante activates.

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Mailed ChocoPi, we'll see.

 

I'd expect that the spies are part of the town faction, so if we lynch Kai it should up my counter to three (assuming he is actually a spy).

That said, I'm doubtful that he is a spy. His insistence on having jwlk lynched especially raises my suspicion of Kai, given that the entire reason jwlk died was to activate his ability so that he could kill Eido.

 

Confirmed, yes. Spy lynch counts towards Town!Vig.

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Side note: I hate to drop yet more inactivity into the game, but yeah. I won't be available tomorrow, probably not available for most of Saturday either.

 

Don't let Aurion's ego lead town into making a bad move, he's in the wrong here.

 

So... why is this thread so dead? People, comment. What do you think, should we lynch Kai or leave him alive? What's our next move after (since there is clearly no other spy and so if Kai is lying or we lynch him then we need to have additional reads)? Ollie, you have anything to say? Anyone? Just because Aurion is afk doesn't mean we should let this stall.

 

No I don't I'm voting to kill whoever I see as most scummy, that's all I have left to do, I'm not a really deductive player*

*term as warlock notwithstanding because genius is random....

 

Okay, so who else do you see as most scummy aside from KaiDASH?

 

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For some reason I thought it was night in this game.

But yeah, I'm in favour of giving Kai a chance. We let him live today and then, if he survives the night (which is a scumtell in itself), we see what coven list he brings to the table. We can't really plan until he does that but it would be worth seeing if he's telling the truth.

Again, I'm doubtful of it thanks to his pushing of the jwlk bandwagon and reversal on being in the court, but at this point it couldn't hurt to let him live through the day. If he dies tonight we gain some decent information from that alone, and if he survives we either get a coven list or someone to lynch.

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Actually, better idea. If Kai survives the night, we lynch him anyway and confirm whether he was town or not through myself or Moridin. It also forces the scum to choose between myself, Moridin and Kai on who to kill tonight/tomorrow night, forcing a coven list from Kai, Moridin's gravedigger or my activation for vigilante to get the truth out, which handily means there is no way for the scum to kill all of us.

So, the question now is who to lynch. I'd be happy with Sirion.

Vote Lynch: Sirion

 

This is the post in question.

I was being slightly pressured AND I thought town was heading down the wrong track in such an early (that was on day 2 iirc) push for court information, when for the most part the court kill and coven kill are obviously on different sets of people.

In making that statement, both my pressure AND the d2 push for unnecessary court information fizzled out, so I think that such a play worked very well overall.

also, your plan is silly aekiel.

since you know...

scum kill me.

 

I could get behind this, but I'd rather not lynch Sirion when he's said he'd be afk. If he's the one person we can reach consensus on (and his afkness is hardly the reason for his lynch), I'd be down with targeting him, but as of now I'd rather go for Menace or AngelRick.

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Also, Kai, how exactly do you propose you not die through the night? Since that's the only way you can give us information on the coven. The Moonlight Pagan is likely dead or scum, the Martyr is both dead and scum, and angels might well have protected you already and are in any case hardly something we can predict.

Any plan that involves not lynching you now focuses on dealing with you tomorrow - since, you know, either you die or you don't, and what happens is in itself particularly telling.

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Also, Kai, how exactly do you propose you not die through the night? Since that's the only way you can give us information on the coven. The Moonlight Pagan is likely dead or scum, the Martyr is both dead and scum, and angels might well have protected you already and are in any case hardly something we can predict.

Any plan that involves not lynching you now focuses on dealing with you tomorrow - since, you know, either you die or you don't, and what happens is in itself particularly telling.