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Wizards vs Muggles 3: The Quantum Boogaloo

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Knoq, Aug 9, 2014.

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  1. Lyrium

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    I actually do follow what you're saying Taure although I think the difference is I have no interest in limiting myself to canon because it is what it is. Unless I misread the OP didn't make it clear whether he was asking a canon based question or a general discussion.

    That quote, however, requires a parsing of what exactly "mundane" nature means in this instance and also what that means in terms of wizards acting upon "magical nature."

    Here's the full quote for anyone else interested:

    "I decided that, broadly speaking, wizards would have the power to correct or override ‘mundane’ nature, but not ‘magical’ nature. Therefore, a wizard could catch anything a Muggle might catch, but he could cure all of it; he would also comfortably survive a scorpion sting that might kill a Muggle, whereas he might die if bitten by a Venomous Tentacula. Similarly, bones broken in non-magical accidents such as falls or fist fights can be mended by magic, but the consequences of curses or backfiring magic could be serious, permanent or life-threatening. This is the reason Gilderoy Lockhart, victim of his own mangled Memory Charm, has permanent amnesia, why the poor Longbottoms remain permanently damaged by magical torture, and why Mad-Eye Moody had to resort to a wooden leg and a magical eye when the originals were irreparably damaged in a wizards’ battle; Luna Lovegood’s mother, Pandora, died when one of her own experimental spells went wrong, and Bill Weasley is irreversibly scarred after meeting with Fenrir Greyback."


    I mean it brings up as many questions as answers. Are wizards then of a magical nature themselves and distinct from the mundanes? Or?
     
  2. Shinysavage

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    If we're not discussing it in terms of canon, then the answer is literally whatever you want it to be.
     
  3. Lord Raine

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    Asking who would win in a fight if is a loaded question. They couldn't. Muggles lack the means of finding wizards, and wizards lack the means to actually assault muggles in a meaningful manner. It's an invincible goliath swinging and missing at a tiny agile thing that's only going to get hit if it wants to be hit.

    Any question of war will ultimately boil down to two questions.

    1.) If the muggle populace has suddenly found out about magic through some unforeseen fluke (Google Maps Plus launches, fucking everyone can see the dragon preserves now), are they cabable of rebelling against their heavily infiltrated governments and actually getting to the weapons and intelligence that would be needed to fight the magical world.

    2.) Are the wizards actually capable of doing anything to a populace that outnumbers them by at least three million to one, give or take, depending on how you choose to interpret Rowling's bullshit ratios, without incurring the sort of MAD scenario that would actually be capable of wiping the wizarding world out.

    No. And no. The idea of some sort of pitched war breaking out is itself a loaded question for this exact reason. It wouldn't happen. It's not a fight the wizards can win, and they know it. It's not a fight the Muggles can win, because they don't know where to start. As long as the magical world doesn't provoke a mutually assured destruction scenario where everyone loses, there is no scenario where either side can do anything of real significance to the other.

    The very worst that could happen is global chaos and riots in the streets. Open war is melodramatically unrealistic, and carries it's own bevy of complications and issues.

    Who do I think would win, if we were to simply presume that everything went exactly the way it needed to go and total war broke out? Assuming escalation until destruction, the Muggles presumably. If you can call twelve people hiding in a fallout bunker while the rest of the world burns 'winning.'

    This is a dumb question, and it serves little purpose. The nature of magic as Rowling pitched it, integrated as it is into everyday life, doesn't lend itself well at all to this sort of debate.

    Also, everything about this question reeks of Partially Kissed Hero, and you should all feel super fucking bad about it.
     
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  4. Russano

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    Wait, wait. Luna's mothers name is Pandora? o_O
     
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    Because having this argument twice wasn't enough huh?
     
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